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Re: [RFI] Rogue beer fridge caught by Telstra 'robot'

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Rogue beer fridge caught by Telstra 'robot'
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 18:26:23 -0400
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On 6/4/2013 2:12 PM, David Robbins wrote:
that sounds like a nice idea, but is much harder than it sounds.  first, the 
software would have to know how to sort out the noise from the desired signals. 
 it would also have to be able to scan wide bandwidths, maybe even outside the 
range of most hf receivers, just using 3khz wide audio is impossible in many 
cases... the grow light i found had a fundamental around 100khz with differing 
amplitude even and odd harmonics to above 4mhz where they started to overlap 
making an almost continuous noise, video systems could have fundamentals as low 
as 15khz, and harmonics can cover very wide bandwidths, doing a thorough 
analysis may require covering a large portion of the spectrum while ignoring 
many different legal signals.  plus since switching supplies are becoming 
plugin components there may be many devices using identical supplies and thus 
creating identical signatures.


It's both much simpler and much harder...

You only need to look for specific characteristics and generally these can be determined by looking at only a few spectrum segments and matching them against known offending signals..

As you are looking for specifics you don't normally have to sort any thing.

The difficult part is developing and cataloging the signals into the database. Once the database is developed, you only need the complicated software to identify new signals. Like Voice recognition and finger prints you are matching key points so even if there are other signals present you only need match the key points. Of course you do need to be able to hear those points. So if looking for the ID of an S4 signal under a 20 over 9 SSb signal you will need for them to take a breath.

This is one of the few legitimate reasons for "the cloud", A place that should be avoided unless you have no choice.

The difficult part is developing the database and recognizing the new sources. Once developed it becomes one of matching key segments.

So some parts are very difficult while others can be relatively easy as algorithms already exist for the pattern matching. OTOH pattern matching often takes multiple samples, some times for extended periods gaining on and off cycles. It may come down to statistical matching which does not normally result in quick answers.


Jun 4, 2013 01:32:21 PM, w4byg@att.net wrote:

Interesting article.

As a result a thought: Wouldn't it be great if someone could develop
software that when the output from your HF receiver is connected to your
sound card, it could help identify the kind or type of noises received?
It seems this would help decrease the time it would take to track down
the source(s).
The software probably exists that could do this now, but if the algorithm is involved in pattern matching, the chances are the software is not available outside of it's proprietary use.


73

Roger (K8RI)



Ray, W4BYG



On 6/4/2013 7:50 AM, Steve Sacco NN4X wrote:
Fascinating RFI story from Australia.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/345494,rogue-beer-fridge-caught-by-telstra-robot.aspx



73,
Steve
NN4X
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