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Re: [RFI] Wireless Power Transfer with electric vehicles

To: James Gordon Beattie Jr <w2ttt@att.net>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Wireless Power Transfer with electric vehicles
From: Michael Aust via RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Michael Aust <wb6dji_dx@icloud.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 08:58:42 -0700
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Here a technical discussion on these 
Wireless RF chargers that will destroy 
HF for city dwellers for sure ! 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iOVg62_DUYU

Mike
WB6DJI 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Michael Aust <wb6dji_dx@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> These RF chargers like the Qi for iPhones is being proposed as Automobile RF 
> Chargers for Hybrid cars now and are basically RF oscillators generating Lots 
> of RF in the HF Bands 
> 
> 20kW RF oscillators!!!!
> 
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CEGlmQS692w
> Qi RF Charger 
> 
> This Will destroy the HF HamBands 
> 
> Mike
> WB6DJI 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2021, at 4:28 PM, James Gordon Beattie Jr <w2ttt@att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> Ed,
>> The bottom line question will be whether in a housing sibdivision with homes 
>>  with two EV chargers each, can they peacefully coexist with low profile 
>> HF/VHF/UHF antennas in attics, around gutters and on flag poles?
>> 
>> The pressures of domestic electronics technology and HOAs and 
>> deed/convenant-restricted communities are at crossed purposes with respect 
>> to Amateur Radio.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
>> 201.314.6964
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w2ttt=att.net@contesting.com> on behalf of Hare, Ed, 
>> W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 3:21:20 PM
>> To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>; 
>> rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
>> Subject: [RFI] Wireless Power Transfer with electric vehicles
>> 
>> Oh, it's worse than the little Qi chargers, Jim.  We are talking 20kW 
>> chargers for electric vehicles and ARRL and IARU are very concerned about 
>> harmonics and inverter noise.  Right now, they are using magnetic loops, 
>> which are resonant, but also need filtering,, which at the 20 kW level Is 
>> not trivial.  The key is to get the right limits set.  ARRL has been helping 
>> to revise a few industry position papers, and although we don't always see 
>> eye to eye, we are making a difference and, more important, planning ongoing 
>> work.  Much like BPL, the goal is not to stop technology, but to help 
>> identify proper EMC solutions. With BPL, HomePlug  did it and HomePlug 
>> devices deployed successfully by the millions.
>> 
>> Today, I am in the Lab, gathering the wiring and adapters I need to finish 
>> the installation of  1.5m loop and active whip on a trailer to tow behind my 
>> van, to get away from vehicle noise. I am headed out to two large solar 
>> farms in Connecticut, just to get a feel for the EMI that may be present 
>> near them locally.
>> 
>> I get to have all this fun on weekends sometimes, too!
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Jim Brown
>> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 3:14 PM
>> To: rfi@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Ed Hare W1RFI Contact Info?
>> 
>>> On 4/10/2021 11:58 AM, Hare, Ed, W1RFI wrote:
>>> I have three major issues come up with wireless power transfer,
>> 
>> Great to hear that you're engaged on this, Ed. My RFI alarm went off years 
>> ago when I heard the first rumblings about this for use in charging widely 
>> used consumer devices.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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