Hi Jim,
Thanks for this. My local power is single-phase with a distribution line to
the west of me and running N-S on poles. From one pole there is a drop that
goes underground for 200' or so to a pad mounted transformer that feeds my
neighbor and me. The underground run from there is about 300' to my service
entrance.
From the same pole there is a line running from there to several miles to the
west. About 1400' to the west there is a joining line that runs south for about
700' to a pumping station for our water co-op. I'm assuming this is three
phase since there are three transformers on the pole at the station and they
have some big pumps. The straight line distance to the pole is about 2100'.
This has been a source of RFI in the past but more at 10-12 meters.
I will try sniffing around there however the source could be inside the
security fence. But the real answer is to build a fire under the power company
guy, but he has issues with his management that I don't fully understand so
won't comment on.
Again, thanks for the insight.
Wes
On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 02:35:57 PM MST, Jim Brown
<jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
Wes,
This smells like a case that the late Neil Muncy tracked down in several
different recording studios, including one where I sat next to him as he
did it.
The mechanism was noise in form of triplen harmonics of 60 Hz on the
neutral of a single-phase feed from a high-leg delta power system. This
distribution is widely used in neighborhoods where there are both
single-phase and relatively low power 3-phase customers. One of the legs
has a center-tapped transformer, the others don't, and single phase
customers are fed by it.
Because single phase customers get the neutral and 3-phase customers do
not, the path to ground for the triplen harmonic current generated by
3-phase loads is via that neutral (3-phase delta customers don't get a
neutral).
The mechanism for triplen harmonics is that loads in modern power
systems are nearly all non-linear, where load current is dominated by
capacitor-input PSUs, distortion the sine wave. Triplen harmonics (order
divided by 3) add in the neutral of 3-phase systems, and it's not
unusual for neutral current to exceed phase current. Years ago, I
attended an SBE meeting at the studio of the Chicago Fox station, where
the Chief Engineer described how they had almost gone off the air, and
what they had to do to fix it.
In the recording studios, noise coupling was magnetic to single-coil
guitar pickups, and dynamic mics without corresponding cancellation
coils. Top line dynamics from EV and Shure, the major US companies, have
those coils, lower cost ones do not.
In my Chicago shack, I ran into that same mechanism with an end-fed
top-loaded wire ending in the shack that used on 80 and 160. It coupled
into the keying circuit from computer to my rig, which was a shielded
audio cable, and locked the rig into keydown. I solved the problem by
replacing that keying line with a high quality braid-shielded twisted
pair, with the shield connected only at the sending end, and pair
carrying the keying signal. As a test, I verified that this fixed the
issue up to 17M.
In addition to magnetic coupling as a mechanism, it could be IR drop in
the grounding and bonding system.
73, Jim K9YC
On 3/6/2024 12:05 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> To Chris, I have a Sony ICF-SW7600GR that I have tried to use. With the
> built-in loopstick it is pretty deaf. Local BC is received fine but the
> only way I can hear the noise in to hold the radio close to the
> vertical. An interesting, but unexplained, observation is that when I
> disconnect the coax feeder the noise is reduced. A resistive
> termination on the antenna made no difference, still lower noise.
>
> Really reaching for something, I considered that since the buried
> powerline to my house runs somewhere under the coax, which is on the
> ground, and perhaps under some of the radials, there may be some
> coupling. A stretch I know. I did listen using my 80-meter inverted-V
> and the noise is still there at greatly reduced strength.
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