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Re: [RFI] New ARRL Mission statement > Was solar fix

To: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>, "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] New ARRL Mission statement > Was solar fix
From: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI via RFI" <rfi@contesting.com>
Reply-to: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 13:06:33 +0000
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
First, with respect to noisy devices, there are FCC rules related to the amount 
of noise devices can make.  The manufacturers of devices must meet these 
requirements and must use "good engineering practice" (for whatever that 
means.) There are also rules that state that if harmful interference occurs to 
licensed radio services (amateur, CB, broadcast, business, etc.) then the 
operator of the offending device needs to address the interference.

These rules are not intended to prevent all interference, no more so than the 
amateur rules on harmonics emissions are intended to prevent all interference 
to neighboring equipment.  To achieve that goal would require many tens of dB 
more suppression, adding considerably to the costs of equipment (amateur gear 
and consumer equipment.)  The rules are intended to reduce the likelihood of 
interference to a small-enough incidence of occurrence that it is practical to 
deal with interference on a case-by-case basis. (Amateurs that caused 
interference to nearby over-the-air TV receivers, for example, had to add 
additional filtering to their transmitters, even though they met the 
emissions-limits rules.)  The limits also ensure that if there is interference, 
it is local and thus easy to identify, rather than possibly coming from over a 
mile away.

It would be wonderful for the rules to be changed, but that would be nearly 
impossible at worst, and take years of time (as do most FCC proceedings) at 
best.  The inadequacy of the rules is most apparent in a few glaring areas.  
First, many devices are categorically exempt from specific emissions limits.  
Conventional electric motors, for example.  More important to amateurs, devices 
classified as "appliances" are exempt from emissions limits. This would include 
devices used for cooking, heating, cooling and cleaning.

Also, interference is controlled below 30 MHz by setting limits on the amount 
of noise conducted onto the AC mains. (The premise is that small devices are 
not good HF antennas, but wires connected to them are, and the AC mains are 
long wire antennas that can and do radiate.  There are no radiated emissions 
limits below 30 MHz and no limits on the amount of noise that can be conducted 
onto other wiring, such as speaker leads, interconnection wires, etc. This 
worked, sorta', for most devices, but now that we are seeing more and more 
digital wiring in houses and solar systems that have lots of wires that are not 
AC mains, we are seeing the inadequacy of these rules.

The ARRL Lab has done a lot of testing of devices and, based on its testing, 
most of the devices that it has tested have complied with the rules. (For 
reasons described above, interference still does occur.)  There have been 
exceptions.  When indoor gardening became more popular, some high-powered 
lighting was found to cause interference.  The Lab obtained a number of grow 
lights and tested them.  Some were found to be as much as 58 dB over the 
emissions limits. (To put that into lay terms, one device was making as much 
noise as 650,000 legal devices.)  The Lab reported this to the FCC and 
simultaneously contacted the major importer.  The importer ended up 
discontinuing the worst of the models and started adding filtering to its 
product line.  This was not an ideal solution, but most of the interference 
problems did get resolved.

The Lab have also worked out a semi-formal process with FCC to get interference 
to amateurs resolved. Although this has not been 100% successful, I would 
estimate the success rate at over 90%, albeit in some cases taking years to 
resolve.  In this program, the FCC refers all cases it receives to the ARRL 
Lab.  The Lab takes some important steps.  It first determines that the problem 
would meet the FCC criteria for harmful interference.  Interference that is 
very sporadic would probably not be acted on by the FCC, and a ham that goes 
from S1 to S2 noise is still well below the median values of human-made noise, 
so FCC is not going to see a rules violation.  The Lab has worked successfully 
a few cases that do fall into both categories, although FCC action is not 
likely. (The position the Lab takes is that if a single source of interference 
can be reasonably corrected, it is reasonable to expect it will be.  FCC has 
followed up on a few of those cases with some letters encouraging the parties 
to fix interference).

The Lab also ensures that the correct source has been identified, following 
step-by-step procedures to ensure that a noisy device in the hams' own homes 
are not blamed on power-line noise, for example.  The Lab has found that almost 
half of the reported cases turn out to be something different than the ham 
first thought.   ARRL also determines that the involved parties have tried to 
resolve this directly. In some cases, they do. So the ham must talk to the 
involved neighbor, or to his or her power company or other identified utility.

The result of the latter is sometimes effective, sometimes not. If not. ARRL 
contacts the involved parties, with a letter written under the wing of ARRL's 
staff-level agreements with the FCC.  The letter explains the rules and what 
needs to be done to correct the problem. This is sometimes effective.  If not, 
the Lab now has a well-documented case to turn over to the FCC.  The FCC 
Enforcement Bureau evaluates the case and when it almost always agrees with 
ARRL's determination, it follows up with letters to the involved parties.  So 
although this process is not 100% perfect, the League and FCC are both doing 
quite a bit to try to move RFI cases forward and resolving quite a number of 
them.

The Lab is just now in the process of developing a similar process to be able 
to more systematically report noisy devices that appear to exceed the limits to 
the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology.

In conjunction with this process, the Lab also maintains significant contact 
with industry.  The recent case involving solar interference discussed 
extensively on this reflector is a good example. In this case, Solar Edge did 
make significant improvements to its product, resolving over 500 cases of 
interference known to date, this system continued to make noise. Tesla was also 
involved, with the battery chargers. At first, Tesla did not get involved, but, 
as a result of communications from ARRL, Solar Edge and FCC, it ultimately sent 
an EMC engineer to look at the system and an effective solution was put into 
place.

As an aside to this, the League is also implementing local RFI teams of 
volunteers, and supporting teams that have sprung up spontaneously.  This is 
being built into a national program and the Lab may ultimately recommend that 
this become an official ARRL function.

No, it doesn't stop there. The League is also involved heavily with industry. 
It serves as a voting member on the US C63 EMC Committee that writes industry 
standards often incorporated into the FCC rules by reference.  Lab staff are 
also involved heavily with the IEEE EMC Society, serving as a member of its 
standards board, overseeing the development of industry standards on EMC.   
These are not seats at the back of the room.  In my time serving in that role, 
I was elected to the EMC Society Board of Directors and then elected by that 
Board to be its Vice President for Standards.  On C63, I served as the Chair of 
Subcommittee 5 on Immunity.   This work has been effective, because for a 
number of years, interference by amateur radio to other equipment has become 
more and more rare.

The League also funded a consultant to help the IEEE write a standard on the 
procedures electric utilities should use to resolve power-line noise.   This 
standard is the first of its kind and can serve as a model for similar 
standards involving solar-system noise, for example. Std. 1897-2024 is now 
available from the IEEE  and my guess is that it will be widely adopted and 
used, especially if FCC letters to utilities point to it.

So, the question was asked:  When will we see the ARRL doing something to 
address noise.  This has all been happening for over a decade, much of it 
reported in bits and pieces.  So, yes, the question is correct. When will hams 
see what is being done and continue to support the continuation and expansion 
of these programs.  Keep in mind that most of this has been done by one or two 
HQ staffers, who also have numerous other responsibilities, so I'd say that 
it's a mean and lean machine doing good for amateur radio.

Ed Hare, W1RFI
ARRL Lab Manager 1987-2023
Current ARRL Lab Volunteer

From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> on behalf of Mike 
Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 11:04 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: [RFI] New ARRL Mission statement > Was solar fix

The ARRL today release a new Mission statement.  2nd on the list is
protection of Ham Radio.  I am very curious to see what that plan is.
Does it include stopping/reduction RFI emission from devices that
continue to pollute the ham bands making harder and harder for people to
enjoy the hobby?  Is that enough to get the FCC to start actually doing
their job?

W0MU



> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
> On 7/25/2024 3:42 PM, David Colburn wrote:
>> You made it 'political'.
>>
>> This has nothing to do with a constitutional-conservative preference for
>>
>> less government and more liberty.
>>
>> It has to do with corruption by monopolies and the relocation of funds
>>
>> from enforcement to enabling-profit of corporations that donate to the
>>
>> Party-in-power. (Consider who that was for the past 16 years -
>> there's been
>>
>> no push for "small government" for at least 12 of the 16, and
>> precious little
>>
>> the other 4.)
>>
>> If it were about "small government" the FCC would have a smaller budget
>>
>> and clearly-defined priorities - which would include keeping the
>> spectrum
>>
>> clean.
>>
>> IMHO, YMMV ... KD4E
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/24 14:22, David Eckhardt wrote:
>>> They're gone in the name of "small government".
>>>
>>> I do not consider this political, please, it's reality.
>>>
>>> I'll attempt to keep my fingers off the keyboard in the future
>>> addressing
>>> this issue.
>>>
>>> Dave - WØLEV
>>
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