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Re: [RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?

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Subject: Re: [RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:00:50 -0600
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Follow the money... Who stands to gain from this and how. I don't know but I bet the results might be enlightening.

Mike W0MU

On 3/30/2014 1:51 PM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
I guess the ARRL doesn’t take much stock in their "Considerate Operator
Guide" http://www.arrl.org/considerate-operator


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD   FM18
http://www.mitchelson.org/


-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich,
W4TV
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 14:53
To: rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?


Does anyone else see something inherently *wrong* about stinklink
monopolizing every frequency from 3565 - 3600 KHz?  And now ARRL wants to
allow those channels to expand to nearly 3 KHz each!

73,

     ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Terry wrote:
Here is a list of 80 meter Winlink frequencies:


VE1YZ           3,565.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3,4
VE1YZ           3,565.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
WG3G            3,569.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
CIW930  3,571.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3,4
VE7SCC  3,571.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3,4
WB9FHP  3,575.500 KHz   WINMOR 500
N9LOH           3,579.200 KHz   WINMOR 500
N4MEH           3,580.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
AB7AA           3,582.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2
AB7AA           3,582.500 KHz   WINMOR 500
W5SEG           3,584.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
W5SEG           3,584.500 KHz   WINMOR 500
RT9K            3,585.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3,4
RT9K            3,585.000 KHz   Robust Packet
K9BBS           3,585.000 KHz   WINMOR 500
KB5OZE  3,585.000 KHz   WINMOR 500
RT9K            3,585.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
KF7RSF  3,585.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
SL5ZXP  3,585.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3,4
KF7RSF  3,585.500 KHz   WINMOR 1600
SL5ZXP  3,585.500 KHz   WINMOR 1600
K9BBS           3,586.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2
K7EK            3,587.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
K7EK            3,587.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
N0IA            3,587.200 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
N0IA            3,587.200 KHz   WINMOR 1600
WA6TVD  3,587.500 KHz   Pactor 3
WA6TVD  3,587.500 KHz   WINMOR 1600
K5AEA           3,588.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
K5AEA           3,588.500 KHz   Robust Packet
K5AEA           3,588.500 KHz   WINMOR 1600
AB7AA           3,589.000 KHz   Pactor 3
KK5AN           3,589.000 KHz   Pactor 3
KQ4ET           3,589.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
N7YRT           3,589.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
WL7CVG  3,589.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
AB7AA           3,589.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
KQ4ET           3,589.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
WA7ODN  3,589.500 KHz   WINMOR 1600
KN6KB           3,590.000 KHz   Pactor 3
N0IA            3,590.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
V51PJ           3,590.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2
W0MAC           3,590.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
KN6KB           3,590.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
N0IA            3,590.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
W0MAC           3,590.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
W6SH            3,590.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
CIW931  3,590.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
K7ODN           3,591.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
N5SSH           3,591.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
XE2BNC  3,591.700 KHz   Pactor 3,4
XE2BNC  3,591.700 KHz   WINMOR 1600
KE7XO           3,592.000 KHz   Pactor 3
KR4MA           3,592.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
W0MAC           3,592.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
WE9COM  3,592.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
KE7XO           3,592.000 KHz   Robust Packet
KE7XO           3,592.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
W0MAC           3,592.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
W7ODN           3,593.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
WX4J            3,593.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
WX4J            3,593.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
K0SI            3,594.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
KE5VRO  3,594.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
KA7HRC  3,595.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
KB5HCD  3,595.000 KHz   Pactor 3
KC4TVO  3,595.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
KL7EDK  3,595.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
LA3F            3,595.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2
KL7EDK  3,595.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
LA3F            3,595.000 KHz   WINMOR 500
N5TW            3,596.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
N5TW            3,596.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
K1SGA           3,596.020 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
OH2AV           3,596.500 KHz   WINMOR 1600
K7DAV           3,597.000 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
K7DAV           3,597.000 KHz   WINMOR 1600
DB0ZAV  3,597.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2
DB0ZAV  3,597.500 KHz   WINMOR 500
LA3F            3,597.900 KHz   Pactor 1,2
W1EO            3,597.900 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3
LA3F            3,597.900 KHz   WINMOR 500
W1EO            3,597.900 KHz   WINMOR 1600
W4CPG           3,598.000 KHz   Robust Packet
OE6XPD  3,598.500 KHz   Pactor 1,2,3,4

-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Flanders
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:32 AM
To: Shoppa, Tim; rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] What is this auto mode that QRM's me?

At 12:20 PM 3/30/2014, you wrote:
With all the Winlink and RM-11708 talk going around, I have a question.

When I contest especially on 80M RTTY band (also occurs other bands,
but most frequently on 80M RTTY band, may be weighted by the fact
that I like 80M the most!) I am often QRM'ed by some sort of
automatic digital mode.

This auto mode is characterized by two sides chirping at each other,
one side typically is "longer" than the other. The short chirps are
just a second or so, the longer chirps are several seconds.

Bandwidth is similar or broader than RTTY but it is not RTTY.

I think this is some sort of ALE mode or HF packet, but don't know if
it's Winlink.

It most frequently comes up on me after I've been running on a freq
for
10 or 20 minutes or even more.

I know that this auto mode "sees me" because if I pause, it switches
>from "short chirps", to the long chirps. So clearly this auto mode
sees  me on the frequency and knows the frequency isn't clear, but is
trying  to carry on nevertheless.

Does this sound familiar? I am on east coast US and I'm pretty sure
this is some sort of ALE mode (unsure which one) and I'm 100% sure
there's no human at either end.

Tim N3QE
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A guess: The long chirps when you pause probably means that it could
not transfer data while you were txing, but took advantage of your
stopping to transfer it. I suspect it would give up after a few
minutes if it could not complete the transfer, but i might be wrong.
If the rx station doesn't receive valid data, it requests a repeat
(the short chirp). the tx station then tries again with the long
chirp. When you went qrt, the rx station received all OK, and stopped
requesting repeats.
Don't know what mode.

Jerry W4UK

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