Must be a language thing. Otherwise I don't know why there needs to be "rules"
for rbn because it receives amateurs operating legally in regions 2&3
The bottom end of RTTY is 7040 in regions 1 and 2, 7025 in 3. RTTY is legal
right to the top of the band in regions 1 & 2. Except...
...the bottom in Canada is 7035, top is 7125 with a no RTTY gap between 7050
and 7080.
...in the US, the bottom is 7000 for extra class licensees; otherwise 7025.
...Japan is 7025-7200
Al
AB2ZY
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Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 11:24 AM
To: Rudy Bakalov
Cc: Don AA5AU; Tim Shoppa; DK4VW Ulrich Mueller; rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
Well
Then they must fix it in region 3.
There need to be new common rules for rbn sir. :) Much better keep up in band
when finally got 100khz extra for" years!!" søndag, 07 februar 2016, 05:04p.m.
+01:00 from Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com> :
>It is hard to argue with the actual RBN data. Data from JA skimmers from CQ WW
>RTTY 2015 shows Japanese stations in the 7023-28 segment.
>
>Rudy N2WQ
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>From: "post@lb3re.com" < post@lb3re.com >
>To: Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com >
>Cc: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa@gmail.com >; "rtty@contesting.com" <
>rtty@contesting.com >; DK4VW Ulrich Mueller < dk4vw@darc.de >; Don
>AA5AU < aa5au@bellsouth.net >
>Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:00 AM
>Subject: Re[2]: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
>
>7020 ??? Are you out of mind???
>7040 is absolutly lowest on 40m for RTTY last 5 years!! It all mode
>going up in band is better
>
>I sit in HF commity of IARU region 1.
>We are enough complain about DQRM of dxpeds. But if skimmers give no care to
>bandplans? It will be more war in cw segment!!
>73 LB3RE søndag, 07 februar 2016, 04:26p.m. +01:00 from Rudy Bakalov via RTTY
>rtty@contesting.com >:
>
>Tim,
>There is one limitation of the RBN data to keep in mind- the vast majority of
>RTTY skimmers have narrow segments due to the significant CPU requirements to
>process wide segments. I have set mine to the following, precisely to see what
>happens during contests like CQ WPX and CQ WW RTTY:
>RttySegments=3523000-3610000,7020000-7105000,14040000-14145000,21040000
>-21155000,28040000-28182000
>
>Rudy N2WQ
> From: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa@gmail.com >
> To: Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com >
>Cc: " rtty@contesting.com " < rtty@contesting.com >
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
>
>Rudy, that's a brilliant set of graphs. Thank you so much! I'm going to see if
>I can do the same use reversebeacon data for other major RTTY contests.
>For BARTG I'm not surprised that the EU band plan is adopted, given what the
>"B" in BARTG stands for.
>But in ARRL RTTY RU I'm surprised we don't let the EU guys CQ below 7050 where
>they like to be while the NA guys go above 7080. Instead there's a bunch of NA
>guys below 7050 CQ'ing and making it hard to work the EU. Not a good way to
>make RTTY RU more popular in EU (and I would like it to be more popular in EU).
>Now, in CQ WW RTTY, all gloves come off :-) Correct me if I'm wrong...
>in CQ WW RTTY we spread out all the way to 7100. While the EU stuff tends to
>be lower, I worked a lot of EU RTTY above 7080 in CQ WW RTTY. So I'm thinking
>it's tradition or avoiding phone QRM that the EU's like to stay lower, that
>they don't actually have rules prohibiting RTTY above 7080? Maybe in a super
>major RTTY contest like CQ WW RTTY the phone guys are avoiding 7080-7100 but
>in the less major contests like ARRL RTTY RU there is not that critical mass
>to drive phone out of that segment?
>Tim N3QE
>On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Here's where the stations are, based on RBN data from BARTG
>https://public.tableau.com/views/BARTGRTTYSprint2016/FrequencybyContine
>nt?:embed=y&:display_count=yes&:showTabs=y
>
>Rudy N2WQ
> From: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa@gmail.com >
> To: rtty@contesting.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 9:48 AM
> Subject: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
>
>Bill writes:
>> This anomaly on 40 is a result of the JA band restrictions which were
>> in place for many years. The JAs were limited to
>> 7030-7045 so that's where everyone congregated, even when working non
>> JAs.
>
>I can certainly understand that perspective from the west coast. But as
>I see it from the east coast, the reason is that in EU the 40M phone
>segment starts at 7050 or 7060, and all the EU guys like to be below
>7050 :-)
>
>40M band plan has improved in recent years, as SW broadcasters move up
>or out. Still it's very common for 7080 region to be littered with
>phone stuff from Europe or South America (incidentally... most of them not
>ID'ing...
>just saying I'm pretty sure it's not legal ham activity.)
>
>In CQ WW there's enough RTTY activity that activity spreads out all the
>way up past 7080 to 7100 easy.
>
>A real highlight of my RTTY RU 40M experience, given that it happens
>near winter solstice, is when I'm calling CQ on 40M well before my
>sunset and work JA's (presumably long path). That's a thrill. So I'm
>real glad there's been recent improvements to JA 40M RTTY segment.
>
>I'm actually surprised that I had so many QSO's below 7050 in RTTY RU
>yet there is not a whole lot of EU in RTTY RU. (Certainly not like CQ
>WW where there is a whole lot of EU activity on 40M and well every
>band!). Don't get me wrong, I love working the EU guys in RTTY RU, but
>I'm surprsied that we "adopt the EU band plan" in RTTY RU despite the
>fact that EU is small compared to domestic stuff in RTTY RU. You might
>think a more rational approach, would be to let the EU guys CQ below
>7050, and we go down there to work them, while we are CQ'ing higher up.
>Instead all the NA guys go CQ'ing below 7050 and make it dang hard to
>work the EU guys who genuinely have a reason to be dowh there.
>
>80M is still less than optimal with EU able to do RTTY above 3600 but
>not USA. So in the really big RTTY contests we end up going below 3580
>which starts some frequency fights with other digital modes in the
>3570-3580 region.
>
>Tim N3QE
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