Well, I guess you told me.. by golly, my point is not the fact whether it
has a first dit hickup or not the point I was trying to make is on a scale of
1 to 100 this is a 0 or maybe a 1 but it sounds like a major fault to
someone who does not know.
I know I am a relative new Orion owner, but also have 7 other hf rigs
currently , put in 8 years in the military in electronics countermeasures
and actually know which end of the soldering pencil to hold.
Bottom line is the orion is a darn good rig, and the constant bashing on the
reflector may be scaring away folks who are thinking about buying one.
And my good old 756 works pretty darn well too, especially with the 2-KL and
the AT-500 on the Steppir, but that is set up for a different purpose, part
of a multi place contest station. The Orion is mainly set up for DX and rag
chew, and to play with as a SDR.
My appoligies if I offended you my friend, But there are certainly more
important things in life than this reflector. If I contiunue to get harrassed
for stating my opinion I may just sign off, or I may get on and defend my
I haven't decided yet.
The purpose of this TEN TEC reflector is to discus TEN TEC equipment in
general, not just to bash Orions, but since I have been on, that is about all
So I shall monitor for a bit more and see how it goes, I am so sorry if my
statements are all that incorrect...... tom N6AJR
that's November six All Junk Radio..
73 and gud DX
In a message dated 6/22/2005 11:10:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
Did you bring CATFISHWO with you?
I don't think you have a clue what you are saying. I am the 'fellow' who
actually measured the jitter on the Orion. I have never said it happens on
ANY other radio. My three Omni 6 rigs certainly do not have it and my Icom
IC-781 does not have it and my Corsair II does not have it.
CW in the Orion is generated in DSP, in case you don't recognize that, it
means DIGITAL...so certainly its going to have jitter as I described due to
timing issues. As I said, it is there but it is NOT a problem as it can not
be detected on the air. It was discussed...YOU are the only one making an
issue out of it. If I had to guess, and I don't, I would most likely come up
with the conclusion that you don't even know how to operate an oscilloscope
to run the test for your self, so why are you commenting on it?
How dare you compare an Orion to those rigs...heck they are not even in the
class with the Orion. OF COURSE the Orion is better than those that you
listed. There is no other amateur radio in the in the Orion's class, as far
as performance is concerned, for you to compare the Orion to.
A lot of these folk here that have had their Orion for a long enough period
of time that they have decided for themselves whether or not the Orion is or
is not the radio for them and most of them generated their conclusion from
actual on-the-air performance.
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] re should i buy an orion now
But there in lies the problem, in the current configuration, this "marginal
product" is about twicce a good as most of the rigs from the "big three" and
if you compare it to stuff like the ft-840 or a ic 720/ 730 or 735 or a ts
930, then those come off as junk and the orion is a cream puff. Like I
before, all the noise made on this reflector is about stuff that is a 1 or
2 on a scale of 1 to 100.
Like the fellow stating the unstable leading edge wave of the "first dit"
on the orion. Well later he states this is happening on every radio that
sends CW and the Orion has the least amount of distortion, and by the way
can only see it on a scope, you can not hear it at all.
Now this is not a problem, but was treated here as a major fault in the
orion for about 3 days on the reflector, and actually the Orion has less of
than any other rig.. but I am sure it turned some folks off on the radio.
don't belive everything you see on this reflector. some of it is opinions
only and you know what they say about opinions....
n a message dated 6/22/2005 9:40:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
If, however, the industry offers quality products - and they will, make
no mistake - then we are on the verge of a revolution in radio
technology. However, TT has yet, in my opinion, to make the Orion a
*true* quality product. Imagine what would happen to Amateur sales if
one of the Big-3 (Icom, Yaesu, Kenwood) offered a radio with the quirks
of Orion? - that company's reputation would be tarnished and all of the
hard work they put into getting people loyal to their brand may have
been for naught - and that may well be happening to TT unless v2 of the
Orion firmware works as promised. A company can only peddle a marginal
product for so long; consumers aren't stupid, brand loyalty only goes so
far. Make no mistake, most of TTs current products are outstanding.
Take their RX-340 for example - a true world-class HF receiver (and
SDR). The Orion, well, it still needs work after 2+ years.
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