Jim,
Thank you for informing me. I will avoid the use of the "c" word in future.
Of course I have seen far worse on the list, but I assume all those folks
were placed on moderated status as well.
I suppose with so many people on moderated status, it becomes impossible to
notify them. In my specific case, had I been notified, I would have been
more aware of the requirements of the list and altered my behavior
accordingly. I suppose that most people, on being notified, would simply
retort with an inflamed response, but that's not my style.
73 de Gary, AA2IZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lowman" <jmlowman@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] This is War!
> You are a member, Gary...you were placed on moderated status because of
> your response to the message below.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
> Gary Hoffman wrote:
>
> >Which Ten Tec rig does this crap refer to ?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Roger Borowski" <K9RB@bellsouth.net>
> >To: <TenTec@contesting.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:22 AM
> >Subject: [TenTec] This is War!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Subject: This is War!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Subject: This is War!
> >>
> >>
> >>This WAR is for REAL. More real than most Americans seem to know.
> >>
> >>To get out of a difficulty, one usually must understand it and go
through
> >>
> >>
> >it.
> >
> >
> >>Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as
we
> >>
> >>
> >know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes
WWII).
> >
> >
> >>The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
> >>
> >>
> >very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
> >realize what losing really means.
> >
> >
> >>First, let's examine a few basics:
> >>
> >>1. When did the threat to us start?
> >> Many will say September 11th, 2001.
> >> The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979,
> >> 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks
> >> on us:
> >>
> >> â Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
> >> â Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
> >> â Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
> >> â Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
> >> â First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
> >> â Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
> >> â Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
> >> â Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
> >> â Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
> >> â New York World Trade Center 2001;
> >> â Pentagon 2001.
> >>
> >>(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
terrorist
> >>
> >>
> >attacks worldwide).
> >
> >
> >>2. Why were we attacked?
> >> Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.
> >> The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents
Carter,
> >>
> >>
> >Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush.
> >
> >
> >>3. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no
> >>
> >>
> >provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
> >Presidents Ford or Carter.
> >
> >
> >>4. Who were the attackers?
> >> In each case, the attacks on the U.S. were carried out by Muslims.
> >>
> >>
> >The Muslim make up 25% if the Worlds population.
> >
> >
> >>5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
> >> Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that
> >>
> >>
> >the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
> >the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made
no
> >difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
> >eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
> >political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
> >http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm ).
> >
> >
> >>Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
> >>
> >>
> >the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
heard
> >of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the
world
> >focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in
his
> >way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German,
> >Christian or any others.
> >
> >
> >>Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the U.S., but
> >>
> >>
> >kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone
> >else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
> >protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
> >there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim
> >leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own
> >pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the
peaceful
> >Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?
> >
> >
> >>6. So who are we at war with?
> >> There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other
than
> >>
> >>
> >the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
> >verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if
you
> >don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
> >
> >
> >>So with that background, now to the two major questions:
> >>1. Can we lose this war?
> >>2. What does losing really mean?
> >>
> >>If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.
> >>
> >>We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
> >>
> >>
> >major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
> >answer to the second question.
> >
> >
> >>What does losing mean?
> >>It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
> >>
> >>
> >hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
business,
> >like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.
> >
> >
> >>What losing really means is:
> >>We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
> >>
> >>
> >not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead,
> >not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have
> >produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 2 1/2
> >decades. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were
> >neutered and submissive to them. The plan has been in place since the
late
> >70's, when they realized we had weaknesses and bailed out of Viet Nam.
> >
> >
> >>If we lose, we would of course have no future support from any other
> >>
> >>
> >nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we
> >are impotent and cannot help them anymore. The terrorist Muslims will
then
> >pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be
> >increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't
> >matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops
from
> >Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and
told
> >them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be
> >done. Spain is finished. The next will probably be France. Our one hope
on
> >France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win,
> >they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists
> >without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is
> >already 30% Muslim and fading fast!
> >
> >
> >>If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
> >>
> >>
> >all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us,
if
> >they were threatened by the Muslims.
> >
> >
> >>If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else?
> >> The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore
are
> >>
> >>
> >completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and
be
> >likewise committed to winning at any cost.
> >
> >
> >>Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
> >>Until we all recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really
put
> >>
> >>
> >100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take
that
> >100% effort to win.
> >
> >
> >>So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose
the
> >>
> >>
> >war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize
> >the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full
support
> >to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If
we
> >continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!
> >
> >
> >>Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
life
> >>
> >>
> >and death seriousness of this situation: President Bush selects Norman
> >Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist
> >attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age,
> >Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are
> >taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going
to
> >have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We
> >had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we
> >will most certainly lose all of them permanently. And don't worry that
it
> >is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and
> >immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more
> >since then.
> >
> >
> >>Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him? No, I blame
us
> >>
> >>
> >for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness,
and
> >all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful,
> >honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your
head.
> >
> >
> >>Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
> >>
> >>
> >Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
> >lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
> >because they just don't recognize what losing means.
> >
> >
> >>Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are
> >>
> >>
> >divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage
to
> >our cause. Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians
and
> >media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps
exemplifies
> >best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the
> >treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our
military
> >police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were
> >throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting
> >out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for
> >disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
> >
> >
> >>And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
> >>
> >>
> >400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
type
> >enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their
> >charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently,
the
> >same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources
> >internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held.
> >
> >
> >>Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several
days
> >>
> >>
> >have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
> >Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
> >through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.
> >
> >
> >>Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits have even talked of
> >>
> >>
> >impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the
complete
> >lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy
we
> >are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous
> >results of losing this war, nothing can.
> >
> >
> >>To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this
prisoner
> >>
> >>
> >issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned --
totally
> >oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any
other
> >country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not
mean
> >that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply
means
> >that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we
are
> >in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many
> >years.
> >
> >
> >>Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!
That
> >>
> >>
> >translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but
> >throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense. We have been
> >criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at
> >least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so
good,
> >powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who
> >attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat
> >anything bad in the world! We can't! If we don't recognize this, our
> >nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the
> >World will survive if we are defeated.
> >
> >
> >>And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
> >>
> >>
> >freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the
> >press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any
> >status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that
> >contributes to the good of the world. This has been a long way of saying
> >that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history
> >books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the
> >Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read. If we
don't
> >win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over
France
> >in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim
> >population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the
> >established French traditions. The French will be fighting among
themselves,
> >over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken
them
> >and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily
familiar?
> >
> >
> >>Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
> >>
> >>
> >external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically
> >correct piece by politically correct piece.
> >
> >
> >>And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
> >>
> >>
> >worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even
to
> >themselves, once they are in power. They have universally shown that
when
> >they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over
who
> >will be the few who control the masses.
> >
> >
> >>Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the
> >>
> >>
> >"peaceful Muslims"?
> >
> >
> >>I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
> >>
> >>
> >united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope the factions in our
country
> >will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite
to
> >save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever
you
> >can to preserve it. We must do this not only for ourselves, but for our
> >children, grandchildren, our country and the world.
> >
> >
> >>Pass this on to help spread the word on the gravity of the situation we
> >>
> >>
> >are in and the realization of what will happen if we don't unite and
> >understand what is really at stake. This is the most critical test of the
> >United States in all of our lifetimes and as I see it, very few Americans
> >are even remotely aware of what losing means, or even think we can lose.
We
> >definitely can and will if we don't stop worrying about what is
politically
> >correct and start doing what we must do to save ourselves and the world.
> >
> >
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