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Re: [TenTec] O II and headphones?

To: <geraldj@storm.weather.net>,"Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] O II and headphones?
From: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>
Reply-to: Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net>,Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:14:34 -0700
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I'm afraid it's not that simple.  Looking at the schematic, identified as 
"566AUDIO Model (1).pdf", you can see one of the more significant 
differences between the Orion and the Orion II.  The O2 runs the audio 
through a PT2258 switcher, which I assume controls what audio sources is fed 
to the left and right phones.  The outputs 1 and 2 are combined and fed to 
input 1 of an LM4811 stereo headphone amplifier 
(http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM4811.pdf)  and outputs 3 and 4 are combined 
and fed to input 2.  The output of the LM4811 is fed directly through a 100 
uf 25 V cap to the headphones, unless you have the factory RFI mod board 
which simply adds an LC filter.  No resistor in the circuit to bypass. 
Also, note that the specs of the 4811 show it has 16 digital steps of 3 dB 
each, and an output of 70 mW into 32 Ohms and 105 mW into 16 Ohms.

Meanwhile, the speaker amp is fed from the PT2258 Out 5 and 6, which are 
combined and fed to U3, a TDA1013B 4-Watt amplifier 
(http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/philips/TDA1013B_CNV_2.pdf) which in 
turn feeds the speaker.

The volume on the LM4811 is digitally controlled, so the solution the the 
problem is best handled in the firmware, although since the speaker 
amplifier is analog controlled, an appropriate resistor from pin 8 to ground 
would reduce the speaker level to match the headphones without burning up 
power in the amp.  I have no idea what that value resistor would be, and it 
would no doubt be a major PITA to mount it on the board!

         Ron N6IE
      www.N6IE.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@storm.weather.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] O II and headphones?


> On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 21:36 -0600, Richard Williams wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Yep,  I have the same problem.   I didn't notice the problem with my 
>> older
>> Heil headset with the switchable elements; but it didn't have the noise
>> canceling feature.
>>
>> Maybe it is something Ten-Tec needs to look into!
>>
>> Dick  K8ZTT
>
> OK its solvable. What it means is that the headphone output has a
> resistor to limit the power applied to the headphones and the headphones
> are presumed to need a great deal less power than the speaker or the
> noise canceling headphones. You can use an outboard amplifier with the
> noise canceling headphones or identify that resistor and shunt it with
> something having lower resistance to give the headphones more audio
> power. It could be that resistor is wired on the headphone jack, but its
> more likely on the audio output board. I don't think its a matter of a
> coefficient in the DSP because most solid state audio amplifiers have a
> very low output impedance so different loads shouldn't vary the audio
> voltage much and the low impedance loads will naturally take more
> power.
> -- 
> 73, Jerry, K0CQ,
> All content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
>
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