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Re: [TenTec] NEC, ground, grounds, and radials

 To: tentec@contesting.com Re: [TenTec] NEC, ground, grounds, and radials "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" geraldj@weather.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:05:58 -0600 mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
 ```Like my curves its center to center. The upper trace is using the 276 log formula and the lower one is the 120 inv hyperbolic cosine function. Mine has the spacings on a log scale his is a liner scale. The upper trace formula is increasingly inaccurate below 300 ohms impedance with 87,000 percent error at a spacing just a hair wider than the conductors touching. The wrong formula says you can't get a Z0 less than 87 ohms (as published in QST last summer again), but the correct formula gets down to practically zero Z0 just before the conductors make contact. http://www.geraldj.networkiowa.com/papers/CSVHF2010/lztl1.JPG/ http://www.geraldj.networkiowa.com/papers/CSVHF2010/lztl2.JPG/ 73, Jerry, K0CQ On 1/7/2011 7:46 PM, Jack Mandelman wrote: > Steve, > In your plot how are you defining S, the spacing between conductors? Is it > center to center? Is it consistent for both the approximated and actual > curves? It appears that only the actual curve uses the center to center > definition; in the limit as S-->d the inner edge to inner edge spacing goes > to zero, and Zo also goes to zero. > > Jack K1VT > >> Jerry, > >> A picture paints a thousand words: > >> http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/temp/ladderline_zo.png > >> 73, >> Steve G3TXQ > >> On 07/01/2011 22:44, Dr. Gerald N. Johnson wrote: >>> / I've published the same article twice now, once in The VHF'er in 1966/ >>> / and last year in the proceedings of the 2010 Central States VHF >>> Conference./ >>> >>> / So I have it available on line but not in a format that will be found by/ >>> / search engines:/ >>> / http://www.geraldj.networkiowa.com/papers/CSVHF2010/lztl1.JPG/ >>> / http://www.geraldj.networkiowa.com/papers/CSVHF2010/lztl2.JPG/ >>> / I suppose I should work up an html page that could be found by a search/ >>> / engine and expand it with the history as I have found it./ > > _______________________________________________ > TenTec mailing list > TenTec@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec > _______________________________________________ TenTec mailing list TenTec@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec ```
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