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## Re: [TenTec] NEC, ground, grounds, and radials

 To: tentec@contesting.com Re: [TenTec] NEC, ground, grounds, and radials Jack Mandelman k1vt@arrl.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:31:44 -0500 mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
 ```Jerry, The point that I'm making is that the formulas discussed are applicable only for very specific geometries. The validity of formulas breaks down at the extremes of the underlying physical assumptions. Formulas are not predictive beyond their ranges of applicability. A case in point is conductor cross-sectional geometry that departs from circular. General inhomogeneous dielectric distributions in the vicinity of the conductors is another difficult case. How would you handle these cases? These are only a couple of examples where the classic formulas may result in inaccuracies. By not limiting ourselves to the strict geometries on which the formulas are based, we open a world of opportunities for innovation improving upon the state of the art. The point that I'm making is that finite-element analysis is state of the art, which frees us of the constraints imposed by formulas. Certainly, Harold Wheeler's work is widely recognized. However, he relied on geometry mapping techniques for deriving his formulas. As such his formulas have limited applicability if one wishes to depart from his geometric assumptions. Because of computational limitations, finite-element analyses were not a practical option in his day. But it is a valuable tool available today, even for hams, and we should take full advantage of it for going beyond what formulas predict. No need to get defensive about Wheeler's work. I have the highest respect for his achievements. So please lighten up a bit. Jack K1VT > Harold Wheeler was a transmission line guru of the highest class with > many > papers to his credit, but when interviewed later in life he was most > proud of the inverse hyperbolic cosh formula for capacitance of closely > spaced parallel wires. His career ran another 30 or 40 years after that > paper and he had plenty of time to revisit it but didn't change the > results while investigating many other transmission line shapes and > publishing curves and formulas for their parameters. _______________________________________________ TenTec mailing list TenTec@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec ```
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