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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Tuner Questions
From: Richards <jruing@ameritech.net>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:21:06 -0500
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I had the conundrum a couple of years ago.  I went to Dayton to talk to 
both Palstar and TT and also any hams hanging around.  I got a mixed bag 
of opinions, some hams hanging around the TT display who said they 
owned, or had owned, the TT tuner, and about half said to get it, and 
the other half advised me to get the Palstar.

In contrast, many hams on this and other TT discussion lists for whom I 
have significant respect, either as a result of their long term 
experience or specialized technical expertise, appear more positive, 
overall, and I place greater weight to their assessment.

The universal positive is the L-Network design that generally can have 
but one properly tuned, "best" setting, whereas the AT2K  (which I own) 
is of a different design (won't say for fear of misrepresenting it) and 
I can get a really low match with multiple L and C settings.   Thus, 
with the AT2K, you might debate whether a high L and a low C is better 
than the other way around.  On the AT2K you have the two input and 
output capacitors, and you can easily move one up, and the other down, 
and vice versa, to obtain multiple good matches with the same L counter 
setting.  Change L, and you also get another rash of Capacitor settings, 

This is both boon and bane, I think.   The up side is you can quickly 
find a match.  The down side is you then open the door to debate which 
of all available settings is "best"  or optimum.  Not an awful problem, 
but an issue to consider I think.

The up side of the TT tuner is you can usually only find one setting 
that works best, obviating the above conundrum with the Palstar model. 
In contrast, the  down side of the TT tuner is you sorta gotta figure 
out whether or not your antenna has higher or lower impedance relative 
to 50 Ohms.  If you look on the front of the tuner, you must pick one of 
multiple starting points, which I believe are based on basic un-tuned 
antenna impedance.   Not a big deal, but something I don't think about 
with my AT2k.  I just crank away for what seems like best L counter 
setting, and then play with the two Input and Output capacitor knobs.

I suspect it would work the same on the TT box, once you select the 
initial impedance range.  I suppose, also, that a half hour with an 
antenna impedance analyzer would give you a quick reference chart on 
each antenna you have.   This would be more or less onerous, depending 
on what antennas you have on your farm.

Parenthetically,  I also own a Palstar AT-AUTO tuner, and a Palstar DL2k 
dummy load.

Having played with TT box in person at Dayton, and playing with the 
Palstar box, I suspect construction quality, durability, and appearance, 
are about equal.   I would buy the AT2K again, and I would also consider 
buying the TT box if I did not already own the Palstar box.

Service after the Sale...

I have not needed any repair or warranty service from either company's 
HQ, and companies have been VERY responsive to questions before and 
after the sale, regardless of what product was under consideration. 

That is MY take on it, anyway...  I think you would be happy with either 
one, but you may prefer the design or operational differences of one 
over the other.

----------------------------------  K8JHR  ---------------------------------

On 1/16/2012 3:19 PM, Richard Bell wrote:
> Opinions about any of the Ten-Tec 238 series tuners are wanted.  I'll take the
> the good, bad or indifferent?
> I am considering a tuner and naturally would like something to match my Omni
> VII.  I see some advantages to the 238C in that it has a built-in balun.
> I've considered a Palstar AT2K but am not decided.
> For the record, I have two Drake tuners, MN-2000 and MN-2700. I'm using a 
> balun
> from DX Engineering with both of them.
> Feel free to send me your thoughts, richfbell@sbcglobal.net or share them with
> everyone.  Biased comments are expected and welcomed.
> 73 W5BXE
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