Rick -- we need to take this off the TenTec list. It really does not
belong here. Calling me names and measuring my purported ignorance is
something we should slog out in private. And the bulk of the inquiry
belongs on a 590 list.
Perhaps you did participate in the previous thread where I asked about
the exact same problem with bunch of K3s and a pile of TT rigs, but
neither did you post a solution. Labeling another man's rig " cheap" is
tantamount to "fighting words" in the ham community. (OK... I still
have a sense of humor and I might overstate the case a bit...) but the
TT rigs at our contest station are not cheap, and they may be causing
similar problems for our team, and you are welcome to fix that problem
for us if you can.
I suspect a more sophisticated technical solution is needed. Merely
tossing the radios over the cliff is not a solution to the problem... it
merely sidesteps the issue. We will have the same radios this year as
we had in our contest shack last year, and we cannot just replace them
with other radios -- clearly we need a real solution that enables all
our radios to cavort in harmony ... and so do your friends.
But, lets slog this out privately, and leave the TT list for TT issues.
OH... er... and you foreign guys talk funny. I think the phrase is
typically "dollars to doughnuts" - not dollars to "doughnut holes" -
actually, although you are free to exercise poetic license and bet your
dollars against anything you like ! The phrase seems to have
originated in a 1920s Ellery Queen story where a character said
something like, "I'll bet dollars to doughnuts Field played the stock
market or the horses..."
Just MY take. Happy days to ya, VOM.
------------------------ K8JHR -----------------------------
On 10/8/2012 11:34 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
You obviously have no previous experience with EXACTLY this same problem.
I have lots of experience with it and it was ALWAYS the radio.
You have no idea of what you are talking about here.
I will bet a dollar against a doughnut hole that it is this problem again.
These may all very well be broken Kenwoods. If so, somebody (not you or me)
needs to find out what's going on.
I have seen this problem about 20 years ago when we were setting up a
multi-multi station (12 transmitters - 6 simultaneously) and we found
out that a lot of radios are no good for this. We used to have a list
of bad radios that we simply did not bother to take along to the team
contesting events. It looks like the 590 will go onto that old list as
well.
I appears to me, you are leaping to
conclusions with very little hard data.
I didn't see it once. I saw it again and again and again as inexperienced
operators brought their cheap PLL rigs to a team contest.
You may be right... but I don't think you can
prove it on the data presented here.
We agree this point. That's why I got more data, off reflector. For some
reason the guy we both know did not want to post it onto the reflector, so I
can't say who it is, but I'm sure he is someone you will agree is
knowledgeable.
WE HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH OUR
TEN-TEC AND ELECRAFT RADIOS... BUT
YOU DID NOT SEEM TO THINK THE RADIOS
WERE AT FAULT THEN...
Not guilty! I did not voice an opinion in that discussion.
I did not even post a comment.
I would have to learn more about exactly what the problem was, I would have
questions, and if the setup is no longer there, we might not get the answers
I need to determine what's going on.
and did not
suggest we get new radios... even though
you had no better solution than band pass
filters. I guess on the same argument, we
should be selling all our TT gear because
they make noise in the Elecraft ears...
I don't think it was me who said bandpass filters. Maybe it was. Depends
on what the problem was. If it is broadband noise, bandpass filters don't
help.
No... I think the Jury is still out on this
problem.
AGREE again.
Gotta run. I am starting a course in Italian tonight.
Cheers!
Rick
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