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Re: [TenTec] The Next Flagship

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Next Flagship
From: Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net>
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 09:09:30 -0500
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Rick it's more the way I work split frequency pile ups than a skimmer thing.

Also I had hopes for a diversity receive setup for 160m...thus the 
RX-366.....that is now discontinued.

Am glad to have my OII though....

Cecil

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> On May 21, 2014, at 9:03 AM, "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de> wrote:
> 
> Cecil,
> 
> I guess my answer there is, the skimmer is my 2nd RX.
> Of course I've always worked assisted.
> If you work unassisted, you don't have that luxury.
> 
> I found the Eagle to be the simplest to use transceiver I ever used in a
> contest and although I never used them side by side, I would not say the
> Eagle's front end crunches any earlier than the Orion.  It certainly was a
> lot better than my OM6+ (I never had an INRAD filter in the 6+).
> 
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Cecil
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:00 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Next Flagship
> 
> Good discussion.
> 
> My only issue is I have a tendency to do more DXing and I don't consider the
> Eagle a tool I would choose for that job.  I also press my DXing rig into
> contest duty which is easily done...but not so much the other way around.
> 
> I guess for me I'm spoiled by the dual receive/VFO capability that I've had
> with any rig I've owned for the last 20 years....it's hard to go back.  
> 
> I also own an Icom Pro III....and while it's a nice rig in my environment
> (not Europe) it's relegated to 6M use and backup HF if the OII dies.  It's
> also my grab and go rig.
> 
> Just another perspective...
> 
> Cecil
> K5DL
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:53 AM, "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de> wrote:
>> 
>> I would call the Eagle an entry-level contest grade transceiver.
>> Not sure what to call the OM7.
>> 
>> Maybe the term "mid-range" is wrong.
>> Let's say the mid-teens range ($1500).
>> THAT'S the market Ten-Tec can address and hit the masses.
>> 
>> The target competitors are FT-1200 and TS-590.
>> 
>> The Eagle probably has too few features to be considered a masses radio.
>> A masses radio needs to have enough filter slots to work all modes, 
>> and it needs at least provision for an external scope, "ready to go".
>> 
>> For me, the Eagle is my contest radio for CW and occasionally SSB.
>> It has the size to fit my type of operation, which is often portable, 
>> working out of a camper.
>> If I want to work AM or FM, I have another JA transceiver for that.
>> Most people probably won't want to have 2 transceivers, so the box I 
>> think we need must do it all.
>> The Eagle does not.
>> 
>> Geoff, I like your proposal.
>> My preference would be a dual bander (40/20) or even tribander (40/30/20).
>> I would like one with very low current drain on RX so that it can be 
>> run off of batteries.
>> 
>> However the cheap Chinese transceivers seem to have stirred that 
>> segment up a lot, to the point it may not be possible to make any money
> there.
>> 
>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry 
>> N1EU
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:57 PM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Next Flagship
>> 
>> Doesn't Ten-Tec already have the mid-range handled with Eagle and Omni
> VII?
>> 
>> Barry N1EU
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP
> <Rick@dj0ip.de>wrote:
>> 
>>> GM Barry, (afternoon Geoff),
>>> 
>>> I was indeed speaking of the high-cost radios, not the K3.
>>> In fact I gave the K3 as an example of a company doing it right. 
>>> (modular)
>>> 
>>> Barry, I would ONLY agree with that if it is a second priority after 
>>> the mid-range box.
>>> I'm sure lots of people would buy the high end version of the Eagle 
>>> but I am also sure 3x as many people would buy a mid-range box.
>>> 
>>> In the past, Icom offered an optional power supply module that would 
>>> plug into some of its radios, such as the IC-740.
>>> That made it a nice, self contained box for portable use.  I really 
>>> liked that option because I used it portable quite a lot.
>>> 
>>> So how about an expansion slot which would accept either the power 
>>> supply or the ATU?
>>> And then have an expansion cabinet with the same type of slot.
>>> This would give users a choice and enable to configure best for their 
>>> own particular preference of operation.
>>> 
>>> As Bob pointed out, the money is in the masses but I don't think any 
>>> US company can compete in the low end now and once the Chinese 
>>> penetrate the market, it will be over for sure.  The mid-range is 
>>> their juiciest alternative.
>>> 
>>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>>> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Barry N1EU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:06 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Next Flagship
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Flagship market is too small,
>>> 
>>> If you're talking TS-990, IC-7800 and Flex 6700 I agree.  If you're 
>>> talking K3, I don't.
>>> 
>>> For example, I don't see that it would be a big stretch for Ten-Tec 
>>> to come out with an Eagle on steroids - more front panel real estate, 
>>> bigger box, optional 2nd rx etc.
>>> 
>>> Ten-Tec has ALWAYS had a "flagship" that would compete with the best 
>>> of them and I'd like to see them continue that tradition.
>>> 
>>> 73, Barry N1EU
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