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Re: [TenTec] reballing a Dragon

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] reballing a Dragon
From: Martin Sole <hs0zed@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:48:58 +0300
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I'm sure there would have been a lesson on this at Hogwarts :)

Just to keep it on track I did wonder if perhaps in time there might be a better option. I know the Orion is just another old radio and not likely ever to attract Collins type prices or reverence but perhaps there would be enough of a market to warrant some 're-jigging'.

The board with the dragon also has the DSP's and ADC/DAC's plus some other extraneous bit n pieces but from a hardware side is not much more than a specialised computer with some peripherals. The software is of course another story, it's been through various iterations and some might say it's still not quite there, or will ever be now.

All that said I get to wondering if an open source replacement board might be something to consider. Having seen what can be done with a lot of the easily accessible and indeed free in some cases CAD/CAM tools together with some community software development it would seem the Orion might be an excellent candidate for a whole re-imagining of its control, display and operation structure. I imagine a drop in replacement cpu board with all the same connections and fittings but with updated hardware and software. There's a lot of radio in an Orion and 21st century processing scheme could probably make a lot more of it.

Martin
HS0ZED


On 02/04/2016 02:09, Reed Krenn wrote:
If you MUST reball the dragon, at least make sure it is a MALE dragon. The
consequences of attempting to "reball" a female dragon are too terrible to
contemplate.....

Reed / WW3A

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Clayton Brantley via TenTec <
tentec@contesting.com> wrote:

Dragons are bad enough to deal with, much less re-balling them!  My advice
is to let them
alone and you'll not be missing things that are important to your survival.

Clayton N4EV
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On Fri, 4/1/16, Wade Staggs <tvman1954@gmail.com> wrote:

  Subject: Re: [TenTec] reballing a Dragon
  To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
  Date: Friday, April 1, 2016, 4:57 PM

  *Really simplified version.... O.K.?
  Back in the good old days, electronic
  components had wire leads. Now we have SMT or Surface Mount
  Technology. So
  now on Microprocessors and other LSI or Large Scale
  Integration components.
  There are tiny Pads or Lands on the bottom of the device. At
  the factory
  these components have tiny Balls of solder on each lead,
  sometimes over 200
  leads or pin connections could be on the device. In the new
  technology, the
  Chip is placed on the board by a very fast and precise
  machine. The board
  will then go through a multi-stage Oven which has a minimum
  of Heat-up,
  Solder or Bond and then the cool down stage. Going through
  this oven on a
  conveyor belt, the oven can be over 50 feet long. The
  circuit board has no
  holes for component leads to pass through. I have repaired
  many video games
  and other devices with a simple Paint Stripping Gun. It
  takes a light hand
  and a handheld infrared thermometer is a must so that you
  don't cook the
  board. It is very easy to do lots more harm to the device.
  Repairs of the
  Xbox 360 have financed several of my Boat Anchor Restoration
  Projects. Try
  goggling " The Red Ring of Death "*
  *
  73 from Wade/KJ4WS*

  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Tony <va3dwi@gmail.com>
  wrote:

  > Showing my age here hi... hi. What's reballing?
  Thanks.
  > 73, Tony VE3DWI.
  >
  > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell
  network.
  >   Original Message
  > From: John Henry
  > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 13:03
  > To: tentec@contesting.com
  > Reply To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
  > Subject: [TenTec] reballing a Dragon
  >
  > The problem wasn't always in reballing.
  > There were problems in that the part sat on a shelf for
  15 years, not in a
  > clean room, and somewhere along the line got hit with
  ESD, or too hot one
  > day, random circuits inside the chip failed, etc.
  >
  > I do however doubt that if 20 people tried to scavenge
  some dragonballs and
  > had to replace it, well, maybe 4 in 20 would be happy
  at the end of the
  > day, the other 16 would probably be buying a new rig.
  just my two cents.
  > So many pitfalls along the way, the chips are at least
  15 years old,
  > storage, excessive heat, etc.
  > Yield of TEN-TEC trying to do this using a couple of
  excellent BGA board
  > houses to replace them was very low.
  >
  > 73, KI4JPL
  > John Henry
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