[TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006

Thu Nov 2 18:31:39 EST 2006

Hello,

Timo also wrote in another mail on the TOEC mailing list:

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Hmm ... actually I see that OH0 listed separately in the past results.
I wonder in what point someone started this?
Historically I remember that "country competition" has been a competition
between national leagues. Correct me if I am wrong.

73, Timo OH1NOA
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During my different periods as SSA Contest Manager I have never seen any 
written rules for the Scandinavian Cup.

I remember we had some discussions about the Cup between the contest 
managers in EDR, NRRL, SRAL and SSA some years ago, where we discussed why 
Finland needed help from another (still very rare and hunted) DXCC country 
to always be in the top in the Scandinavian Cup. It was informal discussions 
and nothing was written (as there were no written rules for the Cup), but we 
agreed to separate OHØ from OH in the result lists to have a more fair 
competition. The only one who disagreed was of course the OH manager and 
every time OH arranged SAC after those discussions they incorporated OHØ 
with OH in their result lists.

For some years now OHØ have been counted separately when EDR, NRRL and SSA 
have been the arranging society, but we've got no complaints about that 
earlier.

Why? ...because OH had beaten SM anyway, without the help from OHØ.

Now, when it seams SM have a good (or at least a small) chance to beat OH, 
mostly because of many more participants than OH this year, one of the hard 
working OH contesters is waking up.

Why? ...now maybe OH need those extra OHØ points to be Champs once more...

We all know that the OH guys will beat the SM:s, if they want to. There is 
approximately one big SM contest site on every 10 or more in OH and if the 
Finnish guys (and gals) go for it, we SM small pistols have no chance. (I 
don't even remember if SM has won the Cup even once during all earlier 47 
years - does anyone know???)

Maybe OH didn't really bother or liked to win this year - or maybe we in SM 
stole (or borrowed) some of their wellknown "sisu" this time???

What we can agree upon, is that LA or OZ never can compete with SM and OH, 
and LA or OZ can never win the Cup. That's a fact, due to population and 
contest interest. We don't need to mention JW, JX, OX, OY or TF - the 
competitors from those countries are too few. We don't either need to 
mention OJØ - if there was an expedition to that DXCC country and they also 
worked SAC - I know what country would claim their result...

Maybe all the other Scandinavian and/or Nordic countries should compete 
against OH and OHØ. Then maybe we had a chance to win sometimes... Or - 
maybe it's time for SM to incorporate OHØ in the result lists - to be able 
to beat the OH guys??? :-) In that case I don't think many OH guys will go 
to OHØ during the SAC weekends... But I'm pretty sure there would be an 
increase in the number of SM visitors to the islands and requests for hiring 
the different OH contest sites... HI

I'm very glad this discussion have started. Maybe we can get some written 
rules for the Scandinavian Cup, where all four societys can agree upon those 
rules. The SAC rules also have to be looked upon, but I think that's a 
matter between the managers. We need to make them more up-to-date regarding 
paper logs, erase penalties for dupes and things like that. We also need 
some written rules for the log checkers - how to deal with different matters 
during the log checking.

On the other hand - I'm not so glad this came up just now - I need to 
continue helping OZ5WQ with the preliminary log checking for SAC 2006, so we 
can present the results as soon as possible. I really don't have time for 
this at the moment... HI

...back to the logs...

73 de Jan, SM3CER

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>
To: "Timo Klimoff" <timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net>; <toec at contesting.com>
Cc: <oz5wq at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006

Whoooups!

Maybe you are correct Timo, or maybe ...

If you look at the results from 2005 at
http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/res/r05saccs.htm
OH0 is not listed together with OH so I assumed that
it was counted separately.

Where are the rules for the Scandinavian Cup published?
Please, can the SAC contest managers step forward and
give some advices :-)

73 de Ingo, SM5AJV

Timo Klimoff wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>
>
>
>>Om vi tar bort SM7B samt inte räknar OH0 till Finlands resultat
>>så ser det ännu bättre ut för Sveriges del.
>>
>>
>
>Sorry, OH0s compete under the helm of SRAL :)
>
>73, Timo OH0NOA
>

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