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Re: Topband: 160m noise

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Subject: Re: Topband: 160m noise
From: Pete Smith <n4zr@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:20:13 -0500
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The common-mode choke arrangement described by ON4UN in his Low-Band DXing book (Third Edition, Fig. 7-19 and the text in section 9.2 on pages 7-18/19) seems to meet Tom's specification -- high series impedance and low-impedance shunting to ground.

73, Pete N4ZR

At 08:47 PM 11/10/2004, Tom Rauch wrote:

>       So, who has *practical* advice of how to apply a
choke
>       for flag/pennant antennas? I've been winding 15-20
turns
>       of RG8X in an FT240-77 core.

Jeff,

Amidon, being a distributor, makes up their own numbers.
That part looks like it might be a Fair-rite 5977003801,
which is a  2.4 od x1.4 id x .5 thick core.

I'm not sure if that core is a good idea or not, especially
with multiple turns. I see some people recommend that core
in HF baluns with multiple turns, but I'd be a little
cautious with that. 73 material rolls off sharply in
impedance above 2MHz in a small core and isn't good at all
at HF in large cores. 73 and 77 materials are similar.

Just guessing, I suspect it isn't a good core above 1.8MHz
as a choke. Of course I've never measured 77 material in a
large multi-turn  core. Maybe someone else has. If I can get
a sample, I'll measure one.

In any event, no one is saying your cores won't work. What I
am specifically saying is tossing a few beads on a hunk of
coax is not all it is cracked up to be. The system needs a
combination of impedance shunting to ground and series
impedance. We are trying to build an attenuator pad, and
without low impedance shunt elements adding a low to medium
series impedance isn't going to exactly yank the cape off
Superman.

73 Tom


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