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Re: Topband: That radar on 1915...

To: <mstangelo@comcast.net>, "'Doug Grant'" <dougk1dg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: That radar on 1915...
From: "JC" <n4is@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:50:31 -0500
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Mike

Very interesting signal. I tuned on 3260 and the radar signal was very
strong and let's say unique, two bursts, one narrow band another wide band. 

It turns out that I am testing several preamplifiers and the signal on 3260
was Intermodulation coming from the preamplifier. I removed the preamplifier
and listening on the iC7800 the signal is not there.

This is a very serious problem all of us is facing nowadays and it is hard
to even figure I out what is happening. 

Two week ago  I noticed an intermodulation signal on 1890, I recognized the
AM broadcast program and I was able to identify the two station generating
the intermodulation,  I was expecting two local AM BC below 1.8 MHz. for my
surprise both signal was SW, 11,930 MHz and 13,820 MHz , same station Radio
Martã 1890 KHz apart.

With the solar activity peaking the propagation  is  exceptional good on
6MHz to 9 MHz  or 12 MHz and others SW bands. The two station from Radio
Martã was arriving here in Ft Lauderdale with -20 dBm with peaks -10 dBm,
any preamp with 10 db gain will delivery to the radio 0dBm, this is 1 mW
!!!! most radios with IP3 bellow 40 dB  cannot handle that level of energy
without distortion and intermodulation.

Most RX antennas have low gain on 160m and requires a preamplifier, however
the same antennas can have some good gain on 12 MHz. With the propagation so
good on SW the broadcasting are causing  a lot of problems.

Most of us are not using tunable pre-selector ahead of the preamplifier as
we are used to have on old tubes receivers.

The Radio Martã is not near my house, it is in South Carolina and I'm in
South Florida.  Last Sunday I measured s9+60 dB  from a  BC signal without
preamplifier  on 7 315 . this is - 13dBm, with any preamplifier with more
than 10 dB we can send almos 1 mw to the receiver front end.

I try to check 7315 and there are several BC on that frequency form 5 to 250
KW...  

This situation with the propagation can last another year or two. Check if
your preamp is not overloading from SW boradcat signals. We need
preselectors or a low pass filter. 


See what I found on 7.315 MHz

7315    ADVENTIST WORLD R.      03:00   03:30   1234567 Tigrinya        250
125 KW  FIssoudun       46N57 001E59    OFF_AIRMBR
7315    Radio Tamazuj   04:00   04:29   1234567 Sudanese Arabic 250 KW  146
CVASanta Maria di Galeria       42N02 012E18    OFF_AIRPNW/FPU
7315    Radio Dabanga   04:29   05:57   1234567 Sudanese Arabic 250 KW  146
CVASanta Maria di Galeria       42N02 012E18    SIGNAL_STRENGTH_2PNW/FPU
7315    AIR Shillong    06:56   09:31   1234567 Hindi   50      76
INDShillong     25N33 091E56    OFF_AIR
7315    CHINA RADIO INTERNATIONAL       16:00   16:57   1234567 Vietnamese
100     184     CHNKunming      25N10 102E49    OFF_AIR
7315    CHINA RADIO INTERNATIONAL       17:30   18:27   1234567 Chinese 500
300     CHNKunming      25N10 102E49    OFF_AIR
7315    CHINA RADIO INTERNATIONAL       22:00   22:57   1234567 Esperanto
500     294     Kashi-Saibagh 2022      39N21 075E45    OFF_AIR
7315    CNR 2   09:00   16:04   1234567 Chinese 150     ND      CHNXian 594
34N23 108E40    OFF_AIR2
7315    CNR 2   20:55   01:00   1234567 Chinese 150     ND      CHNXian 594
34N23 108E40    OFF_AIR2=11660
7315    TWR Africa      14:25   14:55   1234567 Portuguese      50      5
SWZManzini      26S19 031E36    OFF_AIR
7315    TWR Africa      14:55   15:10   1234567 Makhuwa 50      5
SWZManzini      26S19 031E36    OFF_AIR
7315    TWR Africa      15:10   15:55   1234567 Lomwe   50      5
SWZManzini      26S19 031E36    OFF_AIR
7315    VOICE OF AMERICA        19:00   20:00   1234567 Kurdish 100     105
DBiblis 49N40 008E30    OFF_AIRIBB/
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    00:00   00:30   12..... English 250     173
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    00:30   01:00   .234567 English 250     173
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI Water of Life Ministries   00:30   01:00   1...... English 250
173     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI Water of Life Ministries   01:00   01:30   .2..... English 250
173     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR2 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    01:00   02:00   12..... English 250     173
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR2 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    02:00   03:00   1234567 Spanish, English        250
152     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    05:30   09:00   1234567 Spanish, English        250
152     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    10:00   12:00   .23456. Spanish, English        250
173     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI Christian Worship Hour     11:00   12:00   1...... English 250
173     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI Water of Life Ministries   12:00   12:30   1...... English 250
173     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    12:00   13:00   1234567 Spanish, English        250
173     USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR2 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    20:00   21:00   1234567 English 100     25
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR2 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    21:00   22:00   1.34567 English 100     25
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR2 a14
7315    WHRI CYPRESS    22:00   00:00   1234567 English 250     173
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR1 a14
7315    WHRI Eternal Good News  23:45   00:00   1...... English 250     173
USACypress Creek        32N40 081W08    OFF_AIR


-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
mstangelo@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:41 PM
To: Doug Grant
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: That radar on 1915...

Hearing it on 3260 0240UTC here in New Jersey.

Mike N2MS
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Grant <dougk1dg@gmail.com>
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:24:02 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Topband: That radar on 1915...

Has anyone heard it recently? I have not been on 160 much since the first of
the year.

I heard it this afternoon on 3250 (it also has been heard on 4400 and 5300
kHz).

Thanks & 73,

Doug
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