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Subject: [TowerTalk] Re: more - Practical Tips?
From: (Brian K. Short)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:58:41 +0000

I'm not sure why you found it necessary to unload in this fashion?
I did not say it was the fault of the reflector that I did not learn much,
but with folks like you maybe I will move on.

It was not my intention to demean anyone. 

I feel that asking for tips from those who have done it (erecting a 
tall tower) is fair game. I have a heavy duty crankup with KT-34a
and 40m beam in the city, but something on that scale is beyond
my experiences.

I doubt installing a 100' tower is rocket science, but I was hoping
to collect words of wisdom from those who trodded the path before.

Exactly which books are you suggesting?

Try a de-caf, instead... (If you care to continue insulting, let's do
it via private email).

>                                      Subject:  Practical Tower Tips, etc
> Brian;
> It is really too bad you didn't learn much from this reflector.  You might
> consider some of the following....and this is serious, not tongue-in-cheek:
> 1.  Unsubscribe from the reflector.  If you've learned nothing, why subscribe.
> 2.  Learn how to ask better, more specific  questions.  In the note below, you
>      have asked "how do you erect a 100 foot tower??".  Let me tell you, that
>      is a completely asinine question.  There are at least a few ten's of
>     of items that must be considered when erecting a 100 foot tower.  It would
>     take many men, many volumes and many years, to answer that question
>     adequately.  
>     To paint an analogy, that question is something like asking "how do you
>     make a fool-proof nuclear bomb"  Come on, man.  Ask something
>     reasonable, somethig that can be answered in a reasonable fashion.
> 3. Join a radio club that has strong interests in assembling towers.  Learn
>     other guys in your area.  Agree to be a helper at tower and antenna 
> raising
>     parties on weekends.  You will be amazed how much you can learn from
>     others, doing things real time.
> 4. Read some books about antennas, erection, towers, etc.  If you did so,
>     you would at least have enough knowledge to NOT ask a question like
>     "how do I put up a 100 foot tower".  There are many good books around.
>     Spend some money on them.
> Brian, my words are a bit harsh.....but it's damned demeaning to read your
> first sentence.....I didn't learn anything from you guys !!....., and then
>to ask
> that question about putting up 100 foot towers.  THINK before you speak,
> there is a huge amount of help on this reflector.....millions of man hours of
> experience, willing to help free.  Most guys are NOT willing to design your
> station for you, nor are they willing to tell you when to go pee during the
> design, construction, and testing activities either.
> 73
> Dale  K5MM
>At 11:19 PM 6/24/98 +0000, you wrote:
>>Thanks to those who have provided advice regarding
>>my planning of an antenna farm.
>>Unfortunately, I don't feel like I've learned much, though.
>>I have been reading the ARRL Antenna Handbook and
>>also the Low Band DX Handbook. I am preparing to put
>>together some verticals for 80m. One bit of experience
>>I did pick up is the tendency of other towers etc to mess

>>up a vertical array.
>>I have seen clever ideas using wire, but most require a 
>>tower support of 100 feet height. I have followed some 
>>discussions about stacking yagis (take-off angle and the
>>importance of either/both switching), but have not stumbled
>>onto a good reference in print?
>>My present plan is to erect a KLM 7/10-28 LPDA at modest
>>height 50-80 feet and verticals, though it seems some day a 
>>stack (of tri-banders?) may be desirable.
>>How does one erect a 100 foot tower? I operate on a budget, so 
>>I'm interested in any surplus etc sources of tower hardware etc? 
>>Where do these things come from? What is the average cost for 
>>a 100 foot tower capable of a modest stack?
>>Also, any references regarding stacked yagis? Tri-banders?
>>73, Brian

"Nostalgia is a thing of the past."
Brian Short
(602)839-3484 1994 E Laguna Dr Tempe, Az 85282

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