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[TowerTalk] URL's/Music, The Music Is Gone And So Am I

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Subject: [TowerTalk] URL's/Music, The Music Is Gone And So Am I
From: (Fatchett, Mike)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:54:39 -0600
Can we get back to talking about Towers and Antennas.  Please leave the
personal attacks off the board.  If you have a problem with a post send a
complaint to the poster not the reflector.  Let  the list manager take care
of things like this.

Good lord the guy made an honest mistake.  He just needed to be told in a
reasonable manner that what he did was inappropriate and the issue would
have died.  Not everyone on this list is a Internet expert.


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Clements []
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 12:44 PM
To:; Jim Rhodes;
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] URL's/Music, The Music Is Gone And So Am I

Very aptly put, Jeff!
It is disconcerting, to say the least, to come into the ham shack and hear
coming out of my computer! Perhaps this is a wake-up call to us non-geeks
outside sources certainly can manipulate our software (and hardware) at
will. It
is kind of scary to me!

Perhaps Thorn can use his  newly aquired spare time to do furthur reading
he continues with his attempt to "help others." He has fallen into the
trap of believing that by increasing the feed point impedance and/or raising
feed point above ground  can reduce ground losses. One only has to do the
a reason just a bit to see that the worms are just as warm under your
with a 15 ohm feed point as they are with a 1000 ohm feed point. The only
to reduce ground losses is to screen off the RF before it gets there.

Suggested reading is ON4UN's new book (1999) "Low Band DXing" and the
of W8JI here on the reflector. They are much better at conveying the subject
ground losses than I.

Thorn need not go away with his tail between his legs; I was told when I
on to reflectors to use plain text and no unsolicited attachments. This did
my feelings at all!

Phil, K5PC

>Based on Thom's rather extreme parting comments, I'd say we are all better
>off, and we should not try to pursuade him to return to our fraternity.
>Most seasoned computer users prefer NOT to open any email attachments from
>relative strangers, given the potential for unwelcomed surprises, and it is
>fairly common protocol across the 'Net that listserv participants should
>utilize plain text and not send attachments which are unsolicited.
>There is no reason for us all to have to configure our browsers differently
>for this one particular aspect of our daily routines.
>My view only, not intended to insult anyone; please keep your flames low.
>Thank you.
>73 de Jeff K2KV
> - "The Complete Resource for All Web Builders"
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> []On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 5:08 PM
>> To: Thomas Giella;
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] URL's/Music, The Music Is Gone And So Am I
>> Let me see if I understand what happened here. Tom posted a
>> message with an
>> attachment. Some members who apparently don't know how to configure their
>> e-mail program to not follow HTML links and stuff got mad at Tom because
>> they didn't like the music that was attached. They proceed to take up
>> of bandwidth flaming him because of their ignorance. I guess I messed the
>> attachment because my sound card is plugged into a box for running RTTY &
>> PSK. I would have to flip a switch if I wanted to hear it, but if I did
>> hear it I am sure it would affend me no more that the fancy HTML fonts,
>> ASCII graphics and paragraph long signature files that many members of
>> group use.  Get a grip folks.
>> At 09:48 AM 8/20/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> > I joined this reflector to try to help people as I have much
>> knowledge and
>> >experience with antenna design and grounding and also to learn myself,
>> >especially about towers installation.  As I use Webtv I had no
>> idea that my
>> >background music shows up as an attachment.  Funny thing is I
>> see emails on
>> >this reflector with music and URL attachments and I've actually had more
>> >compliments about my attachments then complaints. Also I have never
>> >of attachments being bad ettiquite on a reflector, as I belong
>> to many but
>> >I guess you learn.  Anyway it appears that this reflector has  a
>> >number of people with the same mentality that commits road rage, kills
>> >co-workers at work and starts wars, in other words cowards that
>> hide behind
>> >their computers being tough guys and bad asses but would quake in there
>> >shoes if confronted face to face.  So as I unsubscribe to this
>> reflector I
>> >say take care and 73 to all the nice people I've met and FU__ YOU to all
>> >the twisted minds that take this hobby to serious.   Thom KN4LF
>> Jim Rhodes KC0XU
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