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[TowerTalk] Need help locating tower standards

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Subject: [TowerTalk] Need help locating tower standards
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:39:59 EDT
In a message dated 6/29/01 11:58:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

> I have heard some of the same things you have heard about rebar cages but I 
> can't actually
>  say I have ever read this stuff in any Rohn book I have seen.  

    Actually Rohn doesn't have much to do with rebar and concrete standards. 
Every engineered tower comes with boilerplate requirements for rebar and 
concrete under something like "Foundation Notes - General". 

    The general notes invoke grades of rebar, rebar cage construction, 
minimum concrete strength, reference to building codes as well as industry 
and professional standards. 

    Rohn uses real general language like "customer's or installer's 
responsibility" and "secure the services of a local engineer". They set the 
standards for the base on up but not concrete and rebar. 

>  I may have read the stuff
>  about keeping the rebar 3 inches from the edges of the concrete . . .   
> of it makes
>  some sense since rebar is never galvanized (as far as I know) and Rohn 
> legs are
>  galvanized, which should make a rather large difference in how fast they 
> deteriorate due
>  to rusting.  There are a lot of rumors and hear-say about what Rohn says 
> does not say.
>  I guess if I wanted to take Rohn's advice on something, I would either 
> to see it in
>  writing in one of their books or hear it, first-hand, from one of their 
> engineers on the
>  phone.  Hear-say and second-hand quotes from Rohn are not really very 
> dependable . . .  I
>  like to quote the page number of the Rohn book for anything I get out of 
> that source so
>  you could look it up yourself to verify its accuracy.  In some cases, Rohn 
> simply won't
>  put some of their advice in writing so second-hand quoting is the only way 
> to pass on the
>  info . . . just make sure the secondary source is a reliable one, if you 
    When you install tower lights, Rohn doesn't provide all the necessary 
electrical instructions because they're covered somewhere else like the NEC. 
Same with everything except the tower structure; that's what you get from 
Rohn in a "general" catalog. 

    I guarantee you that you'll never talk to a Rohn engineer and likewise 
you'll get nothing from them in writing like what you're asking. One, they're 
too busy and two, it's unnecessary.
>  If the rebar really rusts away inside the base, I would worry much more 
> about the loss in
>  strength by not having the steel in there anymore than I would about any 
> void it might leave.

    If you read a recent post, the point was made that rebar expands as it 
rusts and would crack the concrete and it doesn't leave a void. I'm sure 
we've all seen old concrete hanging on to rusty pieces of rebar due to that 
very thing. The '3-inches from dirt' rule is a building code, not a Rohn 

Cheers,    Steve    K7LXC
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