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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:41:23 -0600
Hmmm.... I'm not sure if I would trust USED grips on a new
installation where they had been unwound and then rewound...
I buy my grips NEW by the box, directly from Preformed Line Products
in Ohio.

Regarding end caps, I believe that is primarily to prevent problems
with ICE sliding down LONG guys.  I have 7 guyed tower that have
been up for 10 to 20 years with NO end caps (in Alabama...NO ice).

I use the smaller insulators (1.25 X 2.?? inchses) with my 3/16
inch guys.  I 'reform' the preform guy grip radius using a rubber
mallot and piece of wood after wrapping the ends together for
a couple of turns around the colored markers.  

(YES, I know this is NOT what the manufacturer says...
  BUT, none of my grips have failed and all of my towers
  are still standing.)

Tom  N4KG

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 "Tom Sykes" <> writes:
> I'm in the process of installing guy wires on Rohn 25.  This is my 
> first 
> experience using Big Grips.  Best thing since sliced bread!
> My first question is whether it's really necessary to install some 
> sort of 
> holding device over the ends of the big grip, and if so, what?  I 
> know that 
> they make a special cone shaped device for this purpose, because the 
> used 
> guys I purchased had them installed.  I removed some of them and 
> re-used 
> them, they work great.  I read some TowerTalk archives that 
> suggested using 
> tie wraps for this purpose.  I tried that but the tie wraps slip 
> right off.  
> Is it OK to use scotch 33 or 88 tape for this purpose (with or 
> without tie 
> wraps underneath?)  I cannot imagine a scenario that would cause the 
> big 
> grip to  become detached, at least not in the mild climate here in 
> western 
> WA.
> Second question:  I purchased guy insulators from Texas Towers.  I 
> did not 
> specify the size when I made the purchase and they didn't ask the 
> question 
> so I assumed there was just one standard size.  The insulators are 
> much 
> smaller than expected.  (For that price, I was expecting them to be 
> the size 
> of an ostrich egg!).   The insulators are too small for the big 
> grips, as 
> evidenced by the fact that the insulator slips out of position.  I 
> tried to 
> keep the guy wire pulled tight enough to hold the insulators in 
> position but 
> after installing the first set of guy wires to the anchors, I 
> noticed that 
> some of the insulators were offset a bit (i.e. the guy wire is not 
> resting 
> in the insulator groove as it should).  I am concerned that the 
> insulators 
> could break.  I suppose that would not be a catastrophic failure 
> because the 
> two thimbles would still be holding the guy wire if the insulator 
> broke.  
> What are your opinions regarding the use of small insulators?  Is 
> there a 
> technique for holding the insulators in position during the 
> installation 
> stage? (Have I discovered yet another use for duct tape?)
> Thanks and 73,
> Tom, NU7J
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