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[Towertalk] 100M-long boom Yagi for 20M

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Subject: [Towertalk] 100M-long boom Yagi for 20M
From: (Joe Reisert)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:10:58 -0500

Yes, with new software etc, may improvements are possible. See my EMail to 
K3BU for more info.


Joe, W1JR

At 12:36 AM 1/14/2003 -0500, EUGENE  SMAR wrote:
>      Thanks for the note.  You're right regarding K6STI's influence on this
>project.  The original article has a footnote that states: quote The authors
>thank B. Beezley for the full NEC final analytical calibration, which was
>within 0.1 dB of the MININEC results. unquote.  Within the article itself
>the authors refer to their use of quote Recently-available MININEC-based
>multiple optimization software unquote, which is also referred to in another
>footnote as being sourced by Brian.
>      On the poor F/B, etc., the authors state quote The elements are
>arranged for a considered balance among forward gain, sidelobe level,
>impedance level, and bandwidth, ... with ... emphasis on forward gain.
>unquote.  I'm inferring here that F/B was secondary in their design
>      The overall tenor of the article is look what you can do these days
>with some good software to handle the electrical and mechanical design of
>REALLY BIG Yagis.  With my little SS tower at 64 feet, I was impressed!
>73 de
>Gene Smar  AD3F
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Reisert <>
>To: EUGENE SMAR <>; TowerTalk
To: <>
>Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Towertalk] 100M-long boom Yagi for 20M
> >Gene,
> >
> >According to Brian Beezley, K6STI, this long Yagi antenna was designed and
> >optimized with his YO (Yagi Optimizer) software. In fact, the program has
> >the "W6TSW" antenna in the demonstration file. I took a quick look and
> >wasn't too impressed with the poor (16.59 dB) front to back ratio and the
> >high (14 dB down) side lobes at about +/-40 degrees from the main beam.
> >Also, the pattern rapidly deteriorated off the design frequency.
> >
> >Next, from California, Europe only subtends a very narrow azimuth angle
> >(compared to the East Coast) so the narrow half power beam width is
> >probably acceptable from W6-land,
> >
> >I have built some VHF designs that can be scaled to 20 meters that will
> >match the beamwidth and meet or exceed that gain on a shorter boom with a
> >much cleaner, broadband pattern and match directly to 50 Ohms!
> >
> >That being said, it sure was a novel idea and a way to configure a long HF
> >Yagi.
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Joe, W1JR
> >
> >
> >At 12:09 AM 1/12/2003 -0500, EUGENE  SMAR wrote:
> >>TT:
> >>
> >>      I was going through some old mags in the basement today and found a
> >>couple of articles of interest (I hope) to TowerTalk related to Yagis.
> >>are both from the June 1991 issue of IEEE's Antennas and Propagation
> >>Magazine.
> >>
> >>      The first, A Modern Giant Yagi, was written by W6TSW, W6VPH and
> >>It describes their work on a 13-element, 100-meter long boom (!) Yagi for
> >>20M.  The Yagi was constructed on six colinear towers on a hilltop in
> >>Southern California.  The top guy set of each tower is dielectric
> >>according to the authors.  One tower supports what looks like a
> >>three-element 20M Yagi - Refl/DE/Dir 1 of the array.  Each of the
> >>five towers supports a wide-spaced 2-element Yagi (Dirs 2-11).  The photos
> >>show all of the booms pointing in the same direction.  The plane of the 13
> >>elements (tower height) is said to be 25M AGL.
> >>
> >>      Specs are:  fixed azimuth of 15 degrees east of true North (don't
> >>start!), covering selected portions of Europe and Asia; design freq:
> >>MHz; predicted directivity: 15.8 dBi freespace/21.5 over low conductivity
> >>ground; 3 dB beamwidth: 15 degrees either side of boresight.  Each element
> >>is built with heavy wall Al tubing, starting with 32mm diameter, stepped
> >>twice, and ending with 19mm at the element tips.  Each of the six,
> >>75mm-diameter boom segments measures 9M long.  On-air reports of this
> >>behemoth vs a wide-spaced 5-el Yagi support the calculated performance
> >>values.
> >>
> >>      The second article is A Secret Story About the Yagi Antenna, written
> >>Prof Gentei Sato of Sophia University, Tokyo.  The article recalls his
> >>to locate Newmann's Note, a set of papers reportedly recovered from a
> >>burning trash pile after Japan's conquest of the British fortress in
> >>Singapore in February, 1942.  It was from these notes, written by British
> >>POW Newmann (variously identified in the article as Private, Corporal or
> >>Master Sergeant) that Japanese engineers and military staff first learned
> >>the Allies' effective use of the Yagi antenna in RADAR.  Up until then,
> >>Yagi-Uda antenna, invented in Japan in 1926, had been used by the Japanese
> >>in only two radio links to connect two off-shore points to the mainland.
> >>The author comments that he himself learned during a visit to the
> >>Smithsonian Institution in DC the the two atomic bombs that devastated two
> >>of his country's cities included Yagi antennas as part of the
> >>altimeter/detonation circuit.
> >>
> >>      I found both of these articles to be a fascinating and colorful bit
> >>background on an invention that we TT'ians almost take for granted - the
> >>venerable Yagi-Uda antenna.
> >>
> >>73 de
> >>Gene Smar  AD3F
> >>
> >>
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