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RE: [TowerTalk] I-beams used as guy-wire anchors!

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Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] I-beams used as guy-wire anchors!
From: Jim Apple <wb1dog@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 06:04:49 -0800 (PST)
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What angle are the pipes on ? 45 deg away from the the
tower ?

Thanks

- Jim

--- Wendell Wyly - W5FL <wendell@wyly.org> wrote:
> I use four 10 foot 4.5 inch OD 1/4 inch wall steel
> pipe for a 62 foot Rohn
> 25 Fold Over tower with a 2 element quad.  The
> vertical anchors are buried
> in the ground 5 1/2 feet with a 16 inch diameter
> hole 65 inches deep filled
> with cement.  The end of the pipe is drilled and
> bolted to two 32 foot # 6
> copper ground wires that are buried for ground
> radials for each guy-wire
> anchor.  I had the design analyzed in San Diego
> county when I had to get a
> permit (even for a rural area on 6 acres).  The soil
> is San Diego County is
> Decomposed Granite, where your soil condition is
> probably different.  An I
> beam is a nice solution as there is a nice wide
> flange to directly bolt the
> turnbuckles, where on the pipe, welding is necessary
> to get a suitable flat
> surface.
> 
> I would not use anything buried only 3 feet deep and
> sticking out of the
> ground 7 feet for a 60 foot tower with reasonable
> amateur radio antennas.
> The overturning moments are very high for a vertical
> guy anchor.  You can do
> a lot better letting the guy anchor be in line with
> the guy wires and using
> a large concrete piece at the bottom of the hole. 
> The normal design
> criteria is for the concrete to weigh as much as the
> guy wire tension under
> full rated wind loads, which assumes that the ground
> is totally saturated
> and the weight of the anchor cement base is the
> primary resisting force.
> This is inexpensive, listed is most Rohn catalog
> details, and can use much
> smaller metal guy anchors since the only force is
> tension.
> 
> Since the anchors will be in your neighbors yard
> (which I wouldn't do in a
> million years), you should pay a Professional
> Engineer to analyze (and
> probably run a soils test) and stamp the
> calculations for the guy anchors.
> This should ensure that you have a safe solution and
> it will not yield a 3
> foot depth that could give you serious problems.
> 
> You might look carefully at the four point guying
> system that Rohn used to
> use on their Fold Over Towers.  For a 62 foot Rohn
> 45 tower, it used 8 guy
> wires and the whole thing fits in approximately a 25
> foot radius, which fits
> most small city lots and keeps all the anchors on
> your property.
> 
> 
> Subject: [TowerTalk] I-beams used as guy-wire
> anchors!
> I have been on this reflector for several months.
> Aside from the occasional sidetrack, it is pretty
> darn knowledgeable.
> Having said that...I was wondering if anyone has had
> experience with using
> I-beams to anchor their guy-wires?  I have a Rohn 25
> G up 60 feet.  It has
> the two, called for guy positions, one at 28 feet
> and the other at 55 feet.
> Would a 10 foot , W-6 X12 X10 foot handle the load? 
> I would cement it in
> the ground 3 or 4 feet. The company says that this I
> - beam would weigh 120
> pounds. Twelve pounds per 1 foot of I-beam.  I have
> never dealt with this
> before as I usually run my guy-wires to the ground. 
> This is an unusual
> situation because I have been graciously  permitted
> by a neighbor to place
> two on his property.  An attempt at using 10 foot
> schedule 80 galvanized
> water pipe got me no where, I now seek help using
> the I-beams so I can get
> 6  or 7 feet above ground to allow grass mowing. 
> I'd appreciate your
> considerations.
> Regards
> 73
> Conrad
> WB3DQD
> 
> 
> 
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- Jim Apple (WB1DOG)

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