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From: Kelly Johnson <n6kj.kelly@gmail.com>
Reply-to: Kelly Johnson <n6kj.kelly@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:22:12 -0800
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Yes and no.  Sure, there are CC&R free areas in most older cities but
the problem is that unless you are willing to buy a "fixer upper" in
an old part of town and spend lots of money bringing it up to "modern
standards" it's not affordable for most people.  As an example, my zip
code has a median home price now of $680k.  What do you get for your
$680k?  Well, on my street it will get you a 2bd/1ba 1100 sq. ft. 65
year old fixer upper on a 10,000 sq. ft lot.  It will likely have
hardwood floor with vinyl in the kitchen/bathrooms, outdated
appliances, no air conditioning, minimal insulation, and a roof that
needs work.  For about $250/sq. ft you can remodel and bring it beyond
the 1950's into the 21st century with air conditioning, granite
countertops, new appliances, and maybe another bedroom and/or
bathroom.  When you're all done you may wind up with a quaint, full of
character 1600 sq. ft house for about $900k.  Compare that to the
tract homes being sold about 2 miles away where you get a brand new
2000 sq. ft home on a 4000 sq. ft lot in an HOA controlled development
for about $600k.  It cost you $300k more for that big lot and
old-style (albeit filled with more character) home in a CC&R free part
of town.  Some people can afford it...most can't.  Most (esp. first
time home buyers and people under 40) are forced by economics into the
tract home.  BTW, $900k in this neighborhood is on the LOW end for
major remodels.  A large number of remodels in this part of town
involve tearing down an existing 1000 sq. foot home on 1/4 acre and
replacing it with a 4000 sq. ft McMansion which ends up selling for 2
mln when its done.

Yes, in theory, you can find CC&R free properties, but the fact is
that it will cost you considerably more for considerably less in those
"desirable" parts of town.  In other words, most hams are priced out
of those areas unless they are married to an XYL that doesn't mind
small, old, fixer uppers :-)

Anyone that says "you can always find suitable CC&R free properties"
has never been to Silicon Valley, Ca.  The housing boom in Silicon
Valley started in the early 70's (when anti-antenna CC&Rs and HOAs)
really came into vogue.  Finding a CC&R/HOA free home in this area
requires >= 1mln net worth OR a willingness to live in a "substandard"
home.  For those of us that aren't multi-millionaires the choice is a
"substandard" home OR antenna restrictions.  I've chosen the
"substandard" home, but my XYL isn't always happy with that choice :-)






On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:52:48 -0800, Steve Katz <stevek@jmr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't kid yourself.  So-called "rich" neighborhoods also have covenants
> enforced by an association.  Yes, even the "rich" society has a smattering
> of residents that feel compelled to force their standards upon others.  I
> know this because of experience related by my daughter who lives in an
> exclusive residential area affordable only by multi-millionaires.
> 
> Keith
> 
> ::They can, but they don't need to.  There are lots of exclusive residential
> areas populated entirely by multimillionaires that are completely
> covenant-free, everywhere, if one chooses to look for one.  Lots of
> variables, but here in the L.A. area, most of the high-priced "exclusive"
> communities are covenant-free.  Some aren't.  If one doesn't like being
> restricted, one needn't be.  -WB2WIK/6
> _______________________________________________
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