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Re: [TowerTalk] End feeding a half-wave vetical

To: Tom Rauch <>,"Dennis O'Connor" <>, <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] End feeding a half-wave vetical
From: Jim Lux <>
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:50:42 -0700
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>My input on the model would be this:
>Models amateurs use generally assume FS at some very large
>distance from the antenna. You can tell if the model is
>doing this by looking at FS at zero degrees.  If you see FS
>at zero degrees is very low or nearly zero, you know the
>model assumes you are interested in FS at a distance of
>hundreds of wavelengths or more.

Most antenna modeling programs do not model the propagation medium (i.e. 
the atmosphere).  And, they make the "flat earth" and "uniform earth" 

The pattern data is typically at infinite distance, referred to an 
isotropic radiator.  Field strengths (the V/m numbers) are typically 
normalized to something like 1 meter distance (and then you can calculate 
field strength by dividing by the radius to your observation point).

For low angles, where the "reflection point" would be many wavelengths 
away, most modeling programs (e.g. NEC) use the simple reflection 
coefficient calculation.  Furthermore, since they don't model the curvature 
of the earth, for an antenna that is high above the ground, that can make a 
difference.  Put that antenna up at 300 ft (100m)and the radio horizon is 
around 25 miles (40 km) away.  What this means is that, to the antenna, it 
looks like you're on a gently sloping down hill (1:400 grade)  (granted, 
this is fractions of a degree..)

If you want to really model the interaction, you'd need to run a free space 
pattern, then plug that into something that models the interactions with 
the surface.

>That really isn't how the antenna works in the real world.
>The real world isn't flat and on 160 meters the height of
>the ionosphere often compares to the distance the model uses
>to calculate pattern. The result of this is low angle FS is
>often underestimated.

Since the vast majority of modeling programs don't model the medium, the 
ionosphere (or atmospheric refractivity, for that matter) don't feature 
into it.  The model just ignores it.  What you're really talking about here 
is a need for a better propagation model.  HFTA does part of it, but only 
does horizontal polarization where you can assume almost total reflection 
and vastly simplify your calculations. Doing the same calculations for 
arbitrary polarization is much more complex (Breakall, et al., did some 
work using GTD to model terrain effects, and compared it with actual field 
measurements: "It is necessary to use lossy dielectric plates to obtain 
accurate predictions for vertical polarization; whereas PEC (Perfect 
Electrical Conductor) plates provide estiamtes for horizontal polarization 
that are quite similar to the predictions made using the lossy dielectric 
plates."  "The enhancements in gain (e.g., 20dB) at low elevation angles 
(e.g. 3-5 deg) can be very significant....")

   VOACAP does statistical predictions on a much larger scale.  There ARE 
models around that deal with the minutia of this stuff, but probably not 
worth it.

Title: Modeling and measurement of HF antenna skywave radiation patterns in 
irregular terrain
Authors: Breakall, J. K.; Young, J. S.; Hagn, G. H.; Adler, R. W.; Faust, 
D. L.; Werner, D. H.
Journal: IEEE Transactions on Antennas and Propagation (ISSN 0018-926X), 
vol. 42, no. 7, p. 936-945
Publication Date: 07/1994

The paper presents an evaluation of the perturbations of elevation plane 
patterns of HF vertical monopoles and horizontal dipoles when the antennas 
are sited in irregular terrain. The Method of Moments was used in 
conjunction with the Geometric theory of diffraction for predicting the 
elevation plane radiation patterns. The 3D terrain was approximated by 
seven connected flat plates that are very wide relative to the largest 
wavelength of interest.

>Models are excellent for antennas some distance above earth,
>especially horizontally polarized antennas. They really are
>just very rough approximations for vertical antennas near
>earth  (or even dipoles at very low height).

Kind of depends on the model. NEC isn't all that hot for real terrain, 
since the flat earth approximation isn't realistic, although (particularly 
for NEC4), the actual antenna modeling is quite good, even very, very close 
(as in touching) the ground.

>I wouldn't predict one way or another what would happen in
>other locations where a marginal ground system is used, but
>I'd never rest 100% on any model when earth is
>involved...especially when the models we use don't model the
>earth in any accurate detail.

>73 Tom


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