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Re: [TowerTalk] 160 antenna

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 160 antenna
From: K4SAV <>
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:59:29 -0500
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I hope you mean: center fed zepp = dipole.

It's impossible to exactly answer your question as stated, but here are 
some things to consider.

If you are feeding that 80M dipole with coax, you are going to see huge 
power losses in the coax on 160M.  The SWR will be >100:1  (don't know 
exact value, but it will be huge). To give you a similar example, I had 
a friend who was using a 40 meter dipole fed with coax on 80M.  When he 
finally went to a real 80M dipole, his signal went from S3 to S9. (Don't 
rely on these exact numbers, but the difference will be large.)

I wouldn't recommend just coiling up a bunch of wire as you stated.  You 
will be making a big loading coil, the inductance of which is totally 
unknown. The antenna will probably be resonant somewhere in the 
broadcast band if you wind a coil with 50 feet of wire.

If you are using ladder line for the feedline, the transmission line 
losses will be a lot less on 160, but your tuner will probably not like 
it.  However, in this case the impedance seen by your tuner will be a 
function of feedline length, and you may be able to vary the feedline 
length and find something your tuner can match.  This isn't really a 
very good approach if you use high power.

You could convert your dipole to a trap dipole and make it resonant on 
both 160 and 80.  On big disadvantage of doing this is that the 
bandwidth will be much narrower (on both bands) than that of a dipole 
without the trap. Bandwidth on 80 and 160 can be a big problem.

If you can put in ground radials, you could tie both sides of the 
feedline together, bring the feedline straight down,  and feed it as a 
top loaded vertical (a tee) on 160.  Don't try this without the radials! 
You will also need a matching network at the base where the vertical is 
fed and the radials are tied. This is a significant amount of work, but 
it will make a very respectable antenna on 160, especially since you 
have an 80 ft vertical section.  An 80M dipole configured as a tee with 
an 80 ft vertical section will probably be resonant around 1.4 MHz, but 
at 1.8 MHZ the resistive part plus ground losses will be somewhere 
around 45 ohms, which means for the matching network you may be able to 
get away with a single series capacitor.

These are a couple of suggestions, there are many other possibilities.  
Start looking in antenna books for ideas, and don't just throw something 

Jerry, K4SAV

Tom Osborne wrote:

>HI Guys
>In working the NAQP last night, I had quite a few requests to QSY to 160 from 
>80.  On 80 I am using a ~130 foot center fed zepp.  Going to 160 only requires 
>a quick re-tune of the tuner so that's no problem.
>Question is, if I were to add to the ends of the antenna 50 feet of wire in a 
>coil, and have a 10 foot pigtail, would that improve the operations on 160, 
>and would it make any difference on 80?  It is up about 80 feet in a tree so 
>that's  not really very high on 160, but would like something a little better. 
> 73
>Tom W7WHY
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