Towertalk
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [TowerTalk] K6STI's Coil program?

To: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] K6STI's Coil program?
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:56:11 -0700
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
At 12:50 PM 10/18/2005, Jim Brown wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:03:41 -0700, Jim Lux wrote:
>
> >How accurately do you need the numbers? (10% good enough, or do you need
> >sub 1% accuracy?)
>
>Sub 1% accuracy?  Are we talking real world or fignewtons of someone's
>overactive imagination? Stray effects in real antennas, especially those
>built and installed with finite budgets, are going to skew their behavior
>for a lot more than 1%. Among the variables are the nature, proximity, and
>slope of the earth below the antenna, the nature and geometry of
>surrounding objects, and the geometry and characteristics of the elements
>of the antenna itself.
>
>Jim Brown K9YC

There ARE people who want to calculate/model inductance to 1 part per 
thousand.  For filter applications, inductors are designed to those sorts 
of tolerances (that is, holding 0.001" tolerances on a 1" part isn't 
impractical).

I agree that for "real" HF antenna components, such over precise 
calculations may be less than useful, although just in the last few days, 
folks were talking about the differences in resonant lengths for dipoles in 
the sub 1% tolerance range.  And, for microwave antennas, holding 
tolerances of 1/20th of a wavelength at 32 GHz over a span of 3 meters is 
regularly done. That's about 1 part in 10,000.

The program from Brian, K6STI, displays inductance and resistance to 0.001 
uH precision (not that it's meaningful)  It also displays distributed 
capacitance to 0.01 pF.

I have no idea what algorithms Brian used to calculate wire loss or form 
loss or distributed capacitance. There are well known algorithms from 
Grover, Medhurst, and Wheeler for this kind of thing, and they are 
potentially accurate to better than a percent, and maybe, a bit better.

The next step is usually some form of finite element model. NEC is a good 
FEM modeler for structures that are composed of conductive wires, but not 
that hot for for very small features, nor for structures where dielectrics 
play a big part. 


_______________________________________________

See: http://www.mscomputer.com  for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless Weather 
Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any questions 
and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.

_______________________________________________
TowerTalk mailing list
TowerTalk@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>