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Re: [TowerTalk] Rotator at bottom of tower

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotator at bottom of tower
From: "K8RI on Tower talk" <>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:35:52 -0500
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> Given that the mast would have to be large, I would use schedule 40 
> aluminum
> pipe about 4 inches in OD but will probably not do it unless I run into a
> scrap deal on the pipe.  Regarding the welding process, I am sure that a
> plate, perhaps about 3/8" thick, 6 inches wide and 2 foot long at each 
> joint
> with a few heavy duty muffler clamps would hold it.  You could even pin it
> for extra insurance.  Painting a perfectly straight line on the entire
> length of the pipe would give visual confirmation as to whether it had 
> ever
> slipped.
I have the rotator mounted down in the tower. There is about 44 feet (two 
standard lengths) of 1 1/2 structural steel tubing with 1/2" wall.  The 
center of this is reinforced with 22' of 2" steel tubing with a 1/4" wall 
which leaves about 10 to 11 feet of 1 1/2" above and below the 2".  The 2" 
is now pinned in 4 places. With 2 5/16" bolts one sheared off so it now has 
two 3/8 bolts on each side of center.  Even with all the stuff I have up 
there I get very little rotational movement.

> 3.5 inch schedule 40 aluminum pipe would be 63 pounds per 20 foot length.
> If I had a large enough hold in the top of the tower, I don't think I 
> would
> have a problem dropping them through the top.

If you have a top plate you would have enough room to weld flanges on the 
pipe and lower those down through the top.  It takes one whale of a good 
pole to hole 20' of pipe though.  They generally come in an odd length of 21 
or 22 feet.  Aluminum may come in standard 20' lengths.

Roger Halstead (K8RI and ARRL 40 year Life Member)
N833R - World's oldest Debonair CD-2
> Mounting the rotator independent of the tower would take the torque off 
> the
> tower and if a thrust bearing could also be independent of the tower there
> would be no weight on the tower itself from the mast and antenna.
> Sounds like a lot of work and perhaps I will not do it but still 
> considering
> the possibility.
> Stan, K5GO
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wolfert, William R." <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Rotator at bottom of tower
>> Stan
>> I'm not an engineer but I agree with the other TT'ers that indicate the
>> 1.5"
>> pipe is too flimsy to handle the torque to which it will be exposed. You
>> didn't say what type of tower you have, but did you consider how you 
>> would
>> get long sections of pipe into the center of the tower, unless you plan 
>> to
>> use a crane. I have AB-105 tower, which bolts together and I had
>> considered
>> inserting a piece of 3" about 21' long to use as a drive pipe (from a 
>> prop
>> pitch) to turn 3 separate antennas on side mounts. I pictured unbolting
>> enough side braces to slip the pipe inside. OK that would work. THEN... I
>> pictured myself on the tower trying to get the pipe into the hole I made
>> (I
>> do all my antenna/tower work by myself- as do many TT'ers I've come to
>> learn- great encouragement!) and realized this would be a mechanically
>> difficult venture. And that's with tower that I could make a much larger
>> "hole" in by unbolting the braces. Even if you have help, really picture
>> you
>> doing the task, maneuvering a (very) heavy piece of pipe from one end and
>> putting it into a very small space with lots of little hands to grab it
>> (tower bracing). And that is just one piece. You mentioned you need 105'!
>> Once the pieces are inside the tower, they then need to be connected
>> (welded) together! I think this is not a small task at all. Good luck 
>> with
>> whatever you decide and if you go for it, be safe my friend.
>> 73's Bill  WR8K
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stan Stockton []
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:55 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Rotator at bottom of tower
>> I am "considering" the possibility of running 105 feet of pipe extending
>> the
>> existing mast to near ground level and mounting the rotator at that
>> location.  The antenna is 20M5L48.  I have to take the rotator down
>> because
>> of a maintenance issue anyway and thought that in the long run it might 
>> be
>> nice to have the rotator low to the ground.
>> The plan would be to use 1.5" Schedule 40 pipe (1.90" OD), leave the two
>> thrust bearings that are located at the top of the tower and down about 6
>> foot, add another thrust bearing about 10 feet above the rotator and have
>> about 3 or 4 other brackets with UV inhibited PVC bearings to center the
>> mast from about 20 feet to about 110 feet.
>> If any of you have done something similar, I would appreciate knowing the
>> pros and cons of such a plan.
>> Thanks...Stan, K5GO
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