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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Epoxied bolts
From: "Robert Chudek" <>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:33 -0600
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Guys, this is a REALLY interesting and educational thread, and the technology 
is something I had questioned for a few years. (Here comes the "brother-in-law" 

A few years ago he and I were talking about concrete and anchors. His company 
installs and maintains the rides and safety railings at the large amusement 
park in Shakopee, MN. He told me he uses epoxied fasteners to anchor all the 
steel work! Ever since that discussion, I have wondered about this new 

My question came up because I was thinking of changing brands of self 
supporting towers. I was questioning him how this could be accomplished. My 
first thought was to fabricate thick steel plates to accommodate the 
dimensional transition. He quickly cast that idea aside and said he would 
simply drill and epoxy new fasteners into the existing foundation!

I have to admit, my "gut feeling" is "that just couldn't be strong enough". I 
guess I've had enough super glue failures to taint my opinion! But he went on 
to explain this was a new "space age" technology and the holding resistance 
would be greater than the imbedded steel.

Okay, so here's my REAL question... Universal Tower concrete base stubs are 
about 2.5" square 3/8" wall steel tubes that are 6 feet long. These legs go all 
the way to the bottom of the concrete foundation. What size and what depth 
would epoxied fasteners need to go to be equivalent or better?  This is a tip 
over base which has two 1/2" grade 8 bolts holding each leg to the steel base 
coupling. I would suspect the two windward bolts would be the tension limiting 
factor on this base.

Actually, I had 90' a tower failure and the aluminum legs are what sheered off 
at the steel/aluminum transition. So in a real-world situation, the grade 8 
bolts were not the weakest link.

My non-engineering, "gut feeling" would be to install 2.5" threaded steel rod 
for each leg. But the remaining question is how deep a hole would provide the 
appropriate tension resistance?

This is a hypothetical question now because I have already replaced the tower 
with the same manufacturer so this was not an issue.

73 de Bob - K0RC

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:51:28 EST
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Epoxied bolts
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Yup, Always a big problem of trying to teach old dogs new tricks...building  
codes change and so does material . Being in the building trades...I have seen 
 ornamental ironworkers using epoxy for railings plenty of times in which 
people  would eventually leaning on these that would be the only thing from 
keeping them  falling 200 ft ! I asked how safe is that stuff, the epoxy...they 
called it  hydraulic cement.  I was told the building would prob fall before 
anything  went wrong with the epoxy. Engineers really know their stuff, just 
Modern  Marvels !
                                      73 Pete  NA2P

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