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Re: [TowerTalk] Planning First Beam and Installation - CommentsPlease

To: <>,"Kevin der Kinderen" <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Planning First Beam and Installation - CommentsPlease
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:40:25 -0400
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Years ago as a teenager, being on a MUCH more limited budget than your $800 
"warchest," I put a chimney mount on the low chimney of my parents' house, 
which must have put the antenna all of about 20' off the ground.  It was a 
two-element 15 Yagi, that was on the cover of QST magazine in 1967.  It worked 
very well, so I got out the ARRL Antenna Book, did the math, and added some 
length to the boom and a third element.  Again, it worked great and my first 
QSO was VS9ASP, a very rare one, who had a pileup going on 21030.  Got him 
first call; it was memorable.

I didn't much know what I was doing on such things so the mechanical aspects of 
my installation were "marginal," but did get by.  For instance, for the mast I 
used a standard 1-1/4" TV mast, standard chimney mount hardware, the Yagi boom 
was also 1-1/4" TV mast, etc.  Still, it worked, and for a small installation 
I'd say was sufficient.  I think the idea of going with a properly-installed 
chimney mount is a good one.  Upgrading to a better mast than what I used is a 
good idea.  Shopping around for the best quality chimney mount hardware is a 
good idea.  You may want to consider "doubling up" the chimney mount hardware 
-- that is, instead of two "mounts," use four.

I'm not familiar with those tribanders, but suggest you also consider the 
Cushcraft A3, which I have found to be a fine small tribander, simple, very 
inexpensive used (e.g. $100 or less), and it works.  K3TW used one for the 
several years he was on from Tanzania, 5H3TW, and was S9 plus day after day.

The TA-33 and TH-3 would also be good choices.  Also widely available used for 
a pittance, e.g. $50.

The Force-12 C3 variants are apparently quite good but do have fullsize 
elements.  The Bencher Skyhawk deserves a look, designed by WA3FET.  I've 
noticed new tribanders or any Yagis, given the cost of aluminum these days, are 
expensive; used ones are cheap; most people seem to prefer to buy new despite 
the expense, depressing the price of used ones.  Maybe it's because this sort 
of antenna is a "first and only," so guys decide to treat themselves by being 
able to open the box on a brand, spanking, new one, a gift to themselves.

To stay within budget, try to find a used rotator, e.g. Yaesu 800 or Ham-IV.  
Be sure to use lugs on the wire-to-rotator connection, waterproof well to avoid 
maintenance (to keep it reliable), etc.  For a smallish beam (like what I put 
up in '67) even a TV rotator could be adequate.  Last I checked they were 
pretty inexpensive, even new.

Don't expect miracles from 10M in particular, and even 15M, until we get a 
little bit up the other side of the sunspot cycle.  We're at the bottom.  In a 
few years even a small tribander will do quite well for lots of DX; right now 
it's a little tougher.

73 - Rich, KE3Q
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin der Kinderen<> 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:34 PM
  Subject: [TowerTalk] Planning First Beam and Installation - Comments Please


  I live in an apartment building. My landlord is allowing me to install a
  beam if I keep it small. He's asking to see my plans before a final
  commitment. I've never had a beam up before and in my research I'm finding
  that it's a little more involved than putting up a TV antenna. So, I wanted
  to run my skeleton plan by the pros here and get some comments and fill-ins.

  Goals (in order of importance):
   * Sturdy - I've lived in the Roanoke/Blacksburg area about two years. There
  has been some memorable winds coming down through here - gusts as high as 80
  mph. Ice seems to be a big problem in the winter.
  * Small size to be less obtrusive, easier to install (the landlord and his
  crew will do the mounting).
  * Performance improvement over the 125' doublet I have up now. Especially on
  20 meters and higher most signals look very weak to me usually only peaking
  at S-3 or less.
  * Cost - I need to stay very reasonable. Total installation cost should be
  no more than $800 (I can stretch this very little).

  * The building I live in is made up of an old bank and store fronts - all
  converted to apartments. I live in one of the store fronts beside the bank.
  The building seems to be made of brick with wood beams. The peaked roof over
  the bank is tin. The flat roof over the shops is below and to the right of
  the peaked roof. It is gravel and tar.
  * The surrounding land slopes from the front of the building to the back.
  >From the front, I'm on the first floor. From the back (where my shack is)
  it's the second floor and there is one more floor above me.
  * Once the antenna is in the air, I will have no access to it. I can't
  expect the landlord to come down and do repairs or preventive maintenance on
  it. I will not be allowed up on the roof.
  * The people that will be doing the installation are not hams and have never
  installed an antenna that I'm aware of.

  Antenna and Component Selection:
  * I have looked at both the Teledyne T-6 and Cushcraft MA5B. I think the
  MA5B might be more suitable though I really like what I've read about the
  T-6. The MA5B is smaller and because of that I think might withstand the
  winds and ice better. I understand these smaller antennas won't have the
  performance of a full-sized beam but it should be significantly better than
  my doublet on 20/15/10.
  * I will probably do the chimney mount and try to clear the tin roof.
  * I have not selected a rotator.

  Problems: (comments definitely appreciated here)
  * There are two mounting positions I could try. One is a chimney. This would
  place the antenna over and at the edge of the tin roof. The other is on the
  flat part of the roof but I wouldn't be able to get the antenna high enough
  to clear the tin roof. I'm leaning towards the chimney mount and hoping the
  tin roof won't have a huge impact on the antenna. Someone suggested that
  with a tin roof I might be better just going with a vertical but I don't
  think that will provide a significant improvement over the doublet.
  * If mounting to the chimney (or any other mounting location for that
  matter), I don't have a good understanding of all the components involved.
  Is the installation as simple as a few (3 or 4) Y-brackets for the chimney
  held in place with steel bands? From there, I'd put a few sections of tube
  together to get the antenna about 5 to 10 feet above the chimney. I would
  mount a small rotator to the top of this and the antenna on a short (1 or 2
  feet) section of tubing on top of the rotator.
  * Is this plan reasonable? Will the tin roof make the installation
  ineffective? Will the wind and ice take down the antenna within the first
  year? Should I just live with the doublet?

  That's my story. Any hope for this apartment dweller? I can't believe I have
  a landlord that has been so cooperative with my hobby. I'd definitely like
  to take advantage of the situation he offers and not cause him any problems
  with the installation.

  Kevin - K4VD

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