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Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 45

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 45
From: "George Lee" <>
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:24:19 -0500
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Hi Steve.

I am somewhat dissapointed in your response to this very ongoing tower 
foundation thread.

First, my opinion, anyone who believes that OSHA has all the answers must 
surely look under
their pillow each morning to see what the tooth fairy left.  Would be 
interesting to see how many tower foundations
poured have to comply with any OSHA regulation.

Secondly, good engineers do not need to go in the field to do manual labor. 
They have been trained by
those ahead of them who have experimented and proven that certain methods 
work and will consistently produce
good and needed results.  As for digging being dangerous, yes it is, but 
there are ways to do it without danger and
if those methods are consistently applied, only a possible cost change is 
involved.  In that case if "you can't stand
the heat, stay out of the kitchen".

To simply say "make the hole larger" does not make it more safe and/or more 

I thank you sincerely for this Tower Talk web site.  I enjoy it more than 
any other but I had to say what I said.

Thanks to all for their input on this subject.  There is a lot to be learned 
here, but sometimes a little common sense
is the better part of discretion.

73, George KR5C

> What happened to the LXC Prime Directive is "DO what the manufacturer 
> says".
> Do not violate that rule.

> From: K7LXC
> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:08:36 EDT
>        IMHO the tower base designs  that utilize some sort of
> undercutting/belled out at the bottom are stupid  and potentially 
> dangerous.
> In
> some designs
> the base is 6-9 feet deep and being  that far down to hand dig the
> undercutting is illegal under OSHA rules and  dangerous in any case.
>        I know there's an  engineering reason for it but it was designed by
> an engineer in an  air-conditioned office who never has to be out in the
> field
> to install one. My  suggestion would be to skip the undercutting and
> compensate by making the  hole a little bigger. It's easier and safer too!
> Cheers,
> Steve    K7LXC
> Professional tower services for hams
> Cell: 206-890-4188


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