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Re: [TowerTalk] TT SHUTDOWN (was: 4 awg copper wire and Amp locks)

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TT SHUTDOWN (was: 4 awg copper wire and Amp locks)
From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <>
Reply-to: Robert Chudek - K0RC <>
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:13:04 -0500
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Craig, my apology to you, personally, that my "violation" comment was in 
reference to the photo on your website. I have to believe that image is a stock 
photo from the manufacturer of the product and not something that you shot 

Since my original post, the variety of responses has me wondering whether some 
people are actually reading the messages and comprehending the information that 
is being presented! Probably the most appropriate (although unexpected) comment 
was by one individual who said the choice of grounding technology boiled down 
to "risk assessment".

You don't fool with mother nature. People and their houses (who don't even own 
a tower or antenna) have been stuck be lightning... with a variety of 
consequences. So I have to agree with "risk assessment"... do nothing, do the 
best you can, or take out a second mortgage for a grounding system... Then sit 
back and let the dice roll.

Regarding the Amp C-loks, they seem to be in the same price category as the 
Cadweld units. And I agree, the copper prices have gone through the roof. In 
general, solid and stranded wire are in the same price range. (I'm seriously 
thinking about pulling out all my house wiring and selling it on the scrap 
market... I'll just get me some of them wireless extension cords I saw earlier 
this year.)

One interesting idea that did came out of this thread (so far) is the use of 
copper tubing instead of solid wire. I'd like to hear more comments pro/con 
about this. I would expect tubing would be more cost effective and equal in the 
capability to dissipate the energy in a strike.

Finally... I also agree with you regarding this reflector. I find it a very 
useful vehicle for the exchange of ideas. I see the participants' range of 
knowledge from those who come here to ask questions and learn, to those who are 
the professionals in the specific industry being discussed.

Where I find a problem is in the people who can articulate old wives tales into 
sounding reasonable and probable, therefore perpetuating junk science. Let's 
try these topics on for size... I need help selecting some good divining rods 
to help locate a new well on my acreage. Or more appropriate for TT, a standard 
single phase 240 VAC 30 amp circuit for your rotating tower wired to NEC specs 
contains how many wires?

73 de Bob - K0RC

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:46:30 -0400
From: Craig Clark <>
Subject: [TowerTalk] TT SHUTDOWN
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>Well we might as well shut down this Tower Talk reflector for as 
>much good as it's doing... I can't believe after weeks of 
>discussions regarding proper ground system bonding, this post has 
>been made... The picture shows two violations... #1) a stranded 
>ground wire and #2) a non exothermic connection.
>73 de Bob - K0RC


Gee. I wonder what Amp is doing selling the Cloks then? They are 
specifically sold for attaching stranded copper wire to ground rods 
and include a corrosion inhibitor.

Secondly, IMHO copper braid is more of a concern than stranded copper 
wire. Properly waterproofed at the ground rod, I think you'd have a 
fine ground; no solder to melt or burn out.

My desire was to share pricing on copper wire to inform TT'ers of the 
latest HUGE price increase in all copper products.

As for a "violation," well, there are many divergent opinions here on 
TT. Get two of us together and you have a conversation. Get three 
involved and it always seems to generate an argument......which I am 
NOT trying to provoke with my esteemed colleagues.

Craig K1QX

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