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Re: [TowerTalk] Elevated Vertical with No Radials on Metal Roof

To: Robert Bogash <>,<>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Elevated Vertical with No Radials on Metal Roof
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:04:43 -0500
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Hi Bob,

Since nobody else seems interested in responding seriously to your 

SteppIR and ZeroFive are correct: depending on the size of the roof (and 
for most average sized houses, it's fine) the metal roof will be God's gift to 
radial systems.

Remember, the whole idea of radials, particularly in ground-mounted 
applications, is to emulate as closely as possible a continuous sheet of 
metal, which your roof is.

You do need to connect the roof to the radial attachment point of the 

Some things to watch for, however: RFI is one. Have an intermittent or 
slightly corroded connection at a seam and you're in for RFI.

Lightning is another consideration. One, I think, to be aware of, but not to 
dismiss the idea of a roof antenna. Making sure you provide a solid, 
low-impedance path to ground, will be key. There are lightning experts 
here who can advise better than I.

73, kelly

> From: Robert Bogash <>
> Date: 2006/08/16 Wed PM 05:20:30 CDT
> To:
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Elevated Vertical with No Radials on Metal Roof
> I have an interesting QTH, and am mulling over a new elevated HF 
> vertical.  I have studied all the usual suspects on eHam etc and poured 
> over the Champion report on vertical antenna performance.  
> Unfortunately, it is now a little dated and Steve, K7LXC says no 
> follow-on work has been done.  And, I have corresponded with a few of 
> the manufacturers.
> My QTH can be seen here:
> I have a large expanse of saltwater extending 180 degrees in front of my 
> house, pointing at all the good places, which would make a vertical 
> really shine.  And, I have a large 24 gage steel roof, which I think 
> would make a great ground plane, and, er, obviate the need for a tuned 
> radial system.  I've already experimented a bit by putting a 20 meter 
> Hamstick in a mag mount on my roof.  This antenna outperforms all my 
> other 20m antennas on rx and tx by a wide margin, and it's not even 
> tuned very well (more work ahead to fix that.).  I figured my house roof 
> was way better than a car roof.  I've worked the world with this little 
> baby, and figure if a little bit of antenna is good, then a BIG antenna 
> is even better!
> I'm looking mostly at 10-15-20m, altho 40 would be OK too.  My existing 
> G5RV and Long-wire do fine for me on 40 and 75 now, so I'm not 
> for a kick there at this time.
> I've gotten emails from SteppIR and ZeroFive saying the metal roof 
> beat any radial system hands down.  Any comments on my roof antenna 
> no radials?  Should the antenna radial connection point be bonded to 
> roof?  And, does anyone have any  experience with the ZeroFive 
> Multi-band 43 ft monster (tuner required.)?


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