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Re: [TowerTalk] OT: Generators and UPS's

To: "'WA3GIN @ Arlington County, VA'" <>,"'Jim Lux'" <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OT: Generators and UPS's
From: "N2TK, Tony" <>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:19:42 -0400
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Any thoughts about using something like a Tripp Lite IS1000 isolation
transformer to help this? Was thinking of getting one and plug in my rig,
and UPS.

N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of WA3GIN @ Arlington
County, VA
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:43 PM
To: Jim Lux
Cc: 'towertalk reflector'; Doug Rehman
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OT: Generators and UPS's

A common characteristic of generators is the normal output voltage
distortion when supplying power to nonlinear loads such as computers.
This output voltage distortion can be interpreted by the UPS as
unacceptable power quality, forcing the UPS to transfer to battery
operation. When the load is transferred to the battery, naturally the
generator distortion will be reduced or disappear, leading the UPS to
attempt to transfer back to line operation. When the load is reapplied
to the generator, the distortion will return, leading the UPS to once
again transfer to battery. This cycle may repeat indefinitely at
intervals of approximately 4 seconds. The answer in this case is to
choose a generator which will not distort, when the nonlinear computer
load is applied. In general, the generator should be 3-5x the size of
the total attached load.

You can purchase a UPS that doesn't care about the noise or attempt to
filter the noise using MOVs or other technology or up grade the
generator but there is no painless solution.


Jim Lux wrote:

> At 08:03 AM 8/25/2006, WA3GIN @ Arlington County, VA wrote:
>> Perhaps when not receiving a true sine wave from the generator you
>> should reduce the load on the UPS to 50%
> A standard (non-inverter style) puts out a very nice sinewave, albeit
> of varying frequency as the engine speed changes.  I have seen
> generators that put out bad waveforms in weird load situations (enough
> magnetic flux to saturate the iron, for instance, or if the current
> waveform is very peaky), but by and large, the physics of how
> generators work (spinning magnet inside a coil) inherently generates a
> clean sine wave.
> I'd look to load characteristics, if it's not a governor control law
> issue (voltage and/or frequency stability).  In particular, high
> transient currents can overload the generator in an instantaneous
> sense, without noticeably affecting the average power output or
> voltage.  You get a funky sinewave with a little dip in the top.


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