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Re: [TowerTalk] And now for something completelydifferent(TrueNorth)

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] And now for something completelydifferent(TrueNorth)
From: "Mike Fatchett" <>
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:45:34 -0600
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What happened to turning the antenna until the station peaks?  Frequently on
10m and 15m you have squewed paths especially to Europe and Japan so does it
really matter that you are exactly at true north?  Get me in the
neighborhood and if I need to adjust the antenna from there, I will.

I thought the high noon suggestion made the most sense or buy a compass and
adjust for the declination.

Mike W0MU

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Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] And now for something

>From: "Jim Lux" <>

> Actually, though, the other link I posted (about using polaris) is 
> fascinating.. It makes the point that with a standard theodolite 
> telescope, Polaris is visible in the daytime, and because it moves a 
> lot slower (angular wise) than the sun, it's easier to get a good 
> north direction.  I'll have to give it a try.
The spotting scope on my larger telescope 2500mm @ f10 (don't remember the
spotting scope magnification, but the objective is 50mm for light gathering)
has not only cross hairs, but a graduated rail road track so when things are
properly aligned polaris will travel around that track.  Polaris is not all
that bright and can be difficult to spot (naked eye) in heavily light
poluted skys yet you can see it in the daytime in a scope. Even with a
relatively low power eyepiece I have to crank the main scope off to one side
or the other to find Polaris.  If not properly set up even being off a
little will cause stars to drift noticeably in a shot time. OTOH the beam
width of that 2500 f-10 is a some what narrower than that of my

What we've really been doing is trying to apply telescope alignment to
antenna alignment where the telescope has a "beam width"/viewing angle
measured in minutes instead of degrees while the antenna beamwidth is
probably hundreds or even thouands of times wider.

When running a camera with a 28 to maybe 100 mm lens piggyback on the scope
I still resort to "that looks about right" for the alignment and it works
for up to about 5 minute exposures. Around 100 mmm I have to turn the drive
motor on and can easily do 10 minutes unguided.

These are two different realms with far different requirments. Applying the
far greater astronomical precision requirements to antenna alignment hurts
nothing, but gains nothing as well. OTOH is good experience<:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI and ARRL 40 year Life Member) N833R - World's oldest
Debonair CD-2 (Use return address from home page)

>>Roger Halstead (K8RI and ARRL 40 year Life Member) N833R - World's 
>>oldest Debonair CD-2
>> >
>> > No. The north star makes a little circle about 1.5 degrees in 
>> > diameter around the true north point. (RA 02 31 49.08, Decl +89 15
>> > 50.8 in J2000 coordinates) so it's about 3/4 degree off celestial 
>> > north pole.
>> >


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