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Re: [TowerTalk] dipole length adjustment

To: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] dipole length adjustment
From: Joe Giacobello <k2xx@swva.net>
Reply-to: k2xx@swva.net
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:12:48 -0500
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Dave, I actually use a very long run of ladderline at my quite windy 
QTH.  I'd estimate that it's about 250' long and V-shaped to allow me to 
come away from the doublet at a right angle.  The line is fastened to 
lengths of 4X4s that I've sunk in the ground along its route and I use 
bungee cords fastened to other 4X4s at several points to prevent it from 
blowing into the trees.  It all works quite well.

73, Joe

David Gilbert wrote:
> Yes, the EDZ is a very nice configuration and it sounds like you have a 
> nice setup.  I'd be tempted to try the same thing myself for 80m and 
> 160m except that the long ladder line would have too large a surface 
> area for the wind gusts we get here.
>
> There are ways to make a "single" antenna work better on multiple bands, 
> though.  I normally dislike fan dipoles since most people cut each 
> section for resonance on a particular band and they get all sorts of bad 
> patterns as a result, but with a tuner you can choose the segment 
> lengths so that none of them are resonant on any band and the patterns 
> for each stay pretty good.  Two non-resonant dipoles in a fan 
> configuration should decently cover 40m and above, and three would 
> probably give 80m as well.  I'll try to come up with some lengths if 
> anyone is interested.
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> Joe Giacobello wrote:
>   
>> Agreed, but there's a lot to be said for getting on all bands with one 
>> piece wire even if the radiation pattern is not optimum for a 
>> particular direction.  They're tough to beat for a general purpose 
>> antenna.  Obviously, if one has options for multiple antennas, phased 
>> arrays or rotatable directional antennas, they're the way to go.
>>
>> I currently use an 80M EDZ fed with balanced feed line on 40, 80 and 
>> 160M.  On 80 I get 3 dB gain broadside vs a dipole, and on 160M it is 
>> effectively a dipole.  On 40M I use it to get omni-directional 
>> coverage, more or less, for a weekly 40M SSB net.
>>
>> 73, Joe
>> K2XX
>>
>> David Gilbert wrote:
>>     
>>> That's true to a point.  I have used efficient homebrew antenna 
>>> tuners my entire ham radio life and wouldn't be without one.  But you 
>>> can get some REALLY ugly radiation patterns from trying to use the 
>>> same antenna on several bands.   The antenna may tune fine and still 
>>> not be putting your RF even close to where you want it to go.  I 
>>> always tried to stay reasonably close to a half wavelength ... for 
>>> example, using a 50 foot dipole for both 20m and 40m still gives a 
>>> fairly clean pattern on both bands.
>>>
>>> Dave  AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>> Donald Chester wrote:
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> The best way to solve the problem once and for all is to feed the 
>>>> dipole with open wire tuned feeders, using a balanced, link-coupled 
>>>> antenna tuner.  That way you can instantly change the resonant 
>>>> frequency of the antenna to any spot in the band from the comfort of 
>>>> the operating position.  And one dipole can cover multiple bands 
>>>> without traps or other jury-rigging.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don, k4kyv
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