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Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn HDBX and Mosely

To: "Nick Pair" <>, <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn HDBX and Mosely
From: "Mark Robinson" <>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:18:05 -0400
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Can't you make some sort of splice/jumper piece  made out of angle iron and 
u bolted across the bad sections to hold everything together so that you can 
get above the bad section and get the beam and rotor down. You could  even 
weld it together and then cut it apart when you are in dismantling stage. 
Got to be cheaper than a crane hire.

Mark N1UK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Pair" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, 14 May, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Rohn HDBX and Mosely

>I would just like to relate a story on the HDBX 48 that I have had up for 
>about 20 years. The tower was OK for the first 15 years or so, with a 
>little rust showing up around the 10Th year. The bolts that join the 
>sections together were the first to rust, with a little rust showing up on 
>the edges of the X's and the vertical rails(all of which were sheared and 
>formed after galvanizing). At the 15th year I noticed in that winter that 
>the tower top was moving in the heavy winds a lot more than I remembered. 
>Next big wind storm I b raves the storm to go out and watch the tower react 
>to the gusts. I discovered that the tower was lose between sections 2 and 
>3. I had installed all bolts according to Rohn's directions and even used a 
>torque wrench to verify tightness. After wind died down I was able to climb 
>tower and found out that the bolt holes on two sides had elongated by 
>almost a quarter inch and that the third side had the section of the leg 
>below the second had completely
> broken off from the midpoint of the bolt down. So all I could think of to 
> do was to place a guy wire (using a cable with a hook on the end of it so 
> I didn't have to climb beyond the break) on the top of the next section 
> and apply enough force to keep the tower from rocking and doing more 
> damage. Now I have a useless tower that I can't get down with a gin pole 
> and I can't think of a way to get it down besides just cutting it loose 
> and toppling down. That would destroy antenna and with my luck the rotor 
> too. I might be able to erect a 25g tower with temporary guys to use as a 
> tower crane. Access with a real crane truck is difficult and not within my 
> ham budget at this time. As to the aluminum rivets I was very surprised 
> when I got the tower here and found dissimilar metals on it. I am still 
> surprised to find that they have not been a source of rust over the almost 
> 20 years I have had the tower. They must be of a alloy that I have not 
> heard about, or they might be mixing
> aluminum with the zink they galvanize with.
>   Now about the Mosley antennas, I have not had the TA versions but have 
> had the CL-36's for almost thirty years and other than needing a boom 
> truss system added for my higher than normal wind location and a little 
> more drupe on the elements than other brands, they have preformed well and 
> been mechanically secure all the while. The other fellow that mentioned 
> that the driver seemed longer that the reflector is due to the feed system 
> they use. Their patented balanced feed is a version of the T match that 
> uses a made up series capacitor to feed each side of the insulated split 
> driven element. The capacitor consists of a length of 15 kv rated wire 
> inside of the element halves tied to the center of the feed connector. Its 
> this series capacitor that necessitates a longer than quarter wave element 
> halves to get back to resonance.(forming a electrical 1/4 length) While 
> this capacitor value is a compromise for triband use, it sure makes a 
> clean looking installation with all the
> components inside the element away from the weather. I'm not trying to say 
> this antenna is better than monobanders of the same length, but it is a 
> good balance of the compromises one has to make with a tribander.(and 
> maybe a better balance that they were able to achieve with the more modern 
> designs they are selling now!)(all those duel drivers and the phasing 
> lines are not enough improvement to justify their complexity and weather 
> survivability.
>    Nick
>    WB7PEK
>    Dodging lightning somewhere on a hilltop in SW WA
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