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Re: [TowerTalk] WTB: GAP VOYAGER and a ????

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] WTB: GAP VOYAGER and a ????
From: "Jim Brown" <>
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:21:34 -0700
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 12:16:14 -0500, K4SAV wrote:

>Yes the SWR is 
>high, which is the reason long feedlines can have a lot of loss 
>especially on 160 where the real part of the impedance is very 

Yes, long lines CAN have a lot of loss, but they often don't, 
because 1) the SWR isn't high enough; 2) the line isn't long 
enough; and 3) a low loss coax is used. 

Example: the vertical I use on 160 and 80 is right outside my 
shack, so the feedline (RG8) is only about 30 ft long. Even when 
the SWR is VERY high (on 80), the losses are still quite small. 

The major losses in most ham verticals are 1) loading 
coils/traps/etc. to make the antenna work on a lot of bands; 2)  a 
poor radial system, either because the antenna mfr downplays the 
importance of radials to sell more antennas, or because the ham is 
lazy, or because the QTH makes radials difficult/impossible.  

Also, remember that dipoles have an inherent advantage over 
verticals of 6 dB of directivity in their favored direction, and 
help from earth reflection that varies with height. Verticals 
don't get much help from an earth reflection unless the ground 
conductivity is quite good (i.e., sea water or close) in the far 
field of the antenna. 

Don't get me wrong -- a GOOD vertical (including the radial 
system) can outperform a low dipole at low angles, but the higher 
the dipole (as a fraction of a wavelength) the less that 
difference is. But most ham verticals are NOT good verticals. 

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Jim Brown K9YC


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