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Subject: [TowerTalk] FEEDBACK – KT34A M2 Upgrade 15 Meter Issue – Somewhat Improved F/B, Some Clarifications, Questions Remain, Getting On with Life
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:40:53 +0000
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FEEDBACK – KT34A M2 Upgrade 15 Meter Issue – Somewhat Improved F/B, Some 
Clarifications, Questions Remain, Getting On with Life

Here is a follow up and partial conclusions on prior postings on a KT34A 
M2 upgrade issue for 15 m F/B.  This incorporates information from 
responses and additional testing and thinking including new data from 
K7HP.  No warranty expressed or implied.

Quick Summary:

A. The KT3** antennas are frequently, but not universally, felt to have 
poorer performance (often in F/B) on 15 than on 10 and 20.  Anecdotal 
stories are common, documentation is rare.

B.  If the KT34A M2 upgrade (or the original) 15 m reflector element 
(taken alone, fed as a dipole) has a resonant frequency above, or maybe 
too near, the lower band edge, 15 m F/B and SWR will he compromised, at 
least low in the band.  Exactly what the desired resonance frequency 
should be is not fully clear but values from 20.5 to 20.9+ come up.  
(Note that the KT34A M2 upgrade does not have exactly the some 
dimensions as any other KT3** units.) Personal observation: a value of 
21.03 is not good, 20.92 seems rather better, going from a poor to nil 
F/B to a passable one (but < 10 dB) yet still below spec, at least in 
the CW band. 

C. The KT3** scheme for providing 15 m operation appears to be quite 
unusual and different from any common tribander - and as a result, 
conventional yagi, even trap, intuition may not be very useful.  The 
method for electrically shortening the elements for 15 involves use of a 
coaxial tube capacitor and a 4’ X 3” tubing loop as inductor which act 
as (most of) a resonant “tuned decoupling stub.”  This is a very high Q 
(~400) circuit that produces quite sharp resonant (said to be series LC) 
behavior compared to the other two bands. Detailed explanations are not 

D.  The 15 m individual element resonant frequencies, and likely the 
antenna performance overall, are very sensitive to some antenna 
components.  Probably the most critical is the coaxial capacitor where 
very small changes in radial dimensions can have a large impact.  If 
either the inner (of the 3/4”) or outer (of the 3/8”) radius of the 
capacitor tubes differs from plan by 1 mil, 0.001 inch, the resonant 
frequency changes by ~ 100 kHz.  The polyethylene caps for the capacitor 
tube, the centering of the 3/8” interior capacitor tube and shorting bar 
spacing dimensions ( ~ 200 kHz/inch) are also possible issues.

E.  Measurements of the single element dipole resonant frequencies are 
subject to variations and uncertainties (even errors).  Resonance from 
minimum SWR and zero imaginary component of impedance (i.e., jX=0) are 
not the same (however, this appears only to be a significant issue for 
10 m, less so for 15).  Height above ground, as well as local structures 
changes the resonance frequency.  Feedline effects on resonance 
estimates are not so easy to remove without skilled calibration, 
especially for jX=0.   However, 15 m appears to be the least sensitive 
band for these effects, probably due to domination by the high Q 
resonance.  Still, measurements of all element resonances for the three 
bands may provide very good diagnostics for problems, if you have the 

F.  I believe that the KT3** issues on 15 m are largely traceable to the 
novel high Q decoupling stubs (some might say traps), requiring rather 
precise resonance values, formed by components that have very critical 
dimensions.  Some of these dimensions are not fully under the control of 
the owner.  So is it not too surprising that adjustments for performance 
that is a bit off have been published by KLM.  It is likely that some 
owners could have issues on the low end of the band but don’t realize it 
since they operate ssb where the 15 m F/B may well be better.

G.  Assuming the 15 m coaxial tube capacitors are functioning in their 
resonant circuit with a suitably high Q, it should be possible to get 
the KT3** to perform in a reasonable way (we leave the definition open 
here).  This may require modest adjustments of the shorting bars for 15 
and perhaps 10.  Additional hardware for the M2 upgrade may or may not 
be needed depending on your particular model and whether your particular 
antenna has excessive deviation from the norm.

H.  Killer F/B on 15, CW at least, is not assured (or perhaps even 
likely over the whole band?).

I.  Modeling of the KT3** is problematic.  No reliable models have been 
claimed or published and conventional wisdom is that most modeling 
software does not handle closely spaced parallel wires or sharp bends 
well.  The KT3** depends on both of these features.  Furthermore, at 
best, the coaxial capacitors must be handled as lumped elements.  Yet, a 
model using MMANA, picking the loading capacitors to match observed 
resonances (and these capacitor values look physically reasonable) 
provides a simulation that has demonstrated pretty sensible looking 
behavior variation for small variation of parameters.

A more detailed write up on these issues, along with assorted other 
KT3** materials including attempts to determine KT34A and KT34A M2 
upgrade target resonant values for both 15 and 10, an MMANA file for a 
KT34A M2 upgrade model with results, and a tabulation of current and 
historical KT3** dimensions and resonance measurements, is provided at 
** .  Other amusing 
stuff is there too including using the QSK-5 and 811A Amp Tuning 
matters.  Fun’s over. Thanks to N2EA, N7BF, K1KP, N2IC, K5GS, W4EF, 
K9MUF, K4JRB, K6HJC and K7HP for responses. 


Bill, N6MW


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