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Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast

To: TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
From: RICHARD SOLOMON <w1ksz@q.com>
Reply-to: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:18:20 +0000
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I was just correcting an error on your part. No need to get snippy about it.
I knew Sam very well and was an often visitor (and worker) to the "Swamp".

73, Dick, W1KSZ

> From: w2lu@rochester.rr.com
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:47:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
> 
> Ok Dick, if it makes you feel better, I stand corrected.
> 
> ---- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RICHARD SOLOMON" <w1ksz@q.com>
> To: "TowerTalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
> 
> 
> >
> > I think that was W1FZJ and he said ..."if your antenna lasts through
> > the winter, it wasn't big enough"... .
> >
> > 73, Dick, W1KSZ
> >
> >> From: w2lu@rochester.rr.com
> >> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:44:46 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
> >>
> >> How about repetitive gusts and possible resonance?  But remember the Sam
> >> Harris / W1FZ philosophy - "If it stays up more than two winters it was 
> >> over
> >> designed".
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Jim Thomson" <Jim.thom@telus.net>
> >> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:09 AM
> >> Subject: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
> >>
> >>
> >> > VE9HF  indicates his  sched  80 mast is  .25" thick.     It's not.
> >> >
> >> > IF his mast is  typ 1.9" OD  sched 80  stuff... it's only  .200" thick.
> >> > His section modulus is only .412
> >> >
> >> > If the yield strength is  35 ksi.... his max  bending moment is  only
> >> > .412 x 35 ksi = 14,420  in lbs...[ 1200 ft lbs]
> >> >
> >> > Lets say  7  sq feet @ 70 mph [20 lbs  per sq ft]   x  14'   .... = 
> >> > 1960
> >> > ft lbs  of  bending moment.
> >> >
> >> > 1960> 1200  !     The mast will snap like a tooth pick.   The mast is
> >> > maxed out  with 1200/140 =  8.57'
> >> >
> >> > This doesn't even factor in the  other TWO  proposed yagi's... nor the
> >> > wind load of the mast itself !
> >> >
> >> > It's NOT....." a serious  tower" .          It's made for TV ants'... 
> >> > and
> >> > can be used with ham ant's,
> >> >
> >> > provided you don't overload it...esp with tall masts.   Even if you 
> >> > guyed
> >> > the tower,  the proposed  mast you
> >> >
> >> > are contemplating will fold over at a right angle.      That  Delhi 
> >> > isn't
> >> > CSA  approved, nor does it meet
> >> >
> >> > the Canadian  S-37 tower specs.   Load it up with heavy wet snow + a 
> >> > tiny
> >> > bit of ice  .....+  a 55 mph gust
> >> >
> >> > .. and it's  bye-bye tower... plus 3 x ants'  trashed.  Removing a bent
> >> > mast is a gong show in itself.. and
> >> >
> >> > extremely dangerous.   If you want a   stronger, self support tower, 
> >> > get
> >> > a Trylon Titan..[with the 48" wide bottom section]...
> >> >
> >> > ... or better yet ..a  Trylon  Super Titan. The Trylon super Titan IS 
> >> > a
> >> > S-37  rated tower, and will handle  25 mm of radial ice  + high wind.
> >> >
> >> > It's the real deal.   The stock Delhi top bearing plate + mating thrust
> >> > bearing is pure junk.   The rotor plate is worse.   You will end up
> >> >
> >> > tearing up all the plates within months.
> >> >
> >> > Later.......... Jim  VE7RF
> >> >
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