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Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical antennas and lightning

To: "David Gilbert" <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical antennas and lightning
From: "N7mal" <n7mal@citlink.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:34:35 -0000
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Dave you said: "" But grounding the antenna isn't going to even come close 
to bleeding off
enough charge from the clouds overhead to prevent a lightning strike "".
It may make you feel warm-n-fuzzie but doesn't really provide a lot of 
protection from a direct hit. I never had a problem with lightening until I 
moved to Arizona 15 years ago. I've had 3 hits, yes ''''3''', in those 15 
years. The worst hit was directly related to your remarks about verticals. I 
had an elevated DX77 vertical. The very top was only 37 feet above ground, 
not the highest point on my property, and the antenna is at DC ground. The 
coax in the shack was grounded via the antenna switch. Well the lightening 
just laughed at all that. Everything in my house that was plugged into an 
electrical outlet was destroyed. 2 of the breakers, in the breaker box, were 
destroyed. My XYL and I were watching TV when the strike happened. The whole 
house turned the brightest pure white I've ever seen and the thunder clap 
was deafening, it sounded like a cannon went off. I just yelled out "oh 
sh**" because I knew what had happened.
The other lightening strikes were no where near as destructive as that 
direct hit to a supposedly grounded vertical, and that vertical was not the 
highest metal object on my property. Yes by all means you should take every 
precaution known to man but when one of these 'rogue' lightening strikes 
happens cross your fingers and hope for the best outcome.
Best 73


MAL
N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.n7mal.com
Everyone in the world is
entitled to be burdened
by my opinion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Gilbert
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 16:35
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical antennas and lightning



Look at it this way ... the magnitude of arcing you get across the end
of the coax if you don't have the antenna DC-shorted to ground is rather
tiny.  My experience over the years (when I had a dipole or vertical
that was not DC-shorted to ground) was that I'd get a spark across the
end of a PL-259 (roughly half inch spacing) every few seconds.  Add up
the energy from all those little arcs over maybe a ten or fifteen minute
period and compare it to the energy from a single lightning strike.
Then consider the likelihood that the portion of the cloud system that
generated the lightning strike wasn't even near your QTH ten or fifteen
minutes ago.

It's like trying to drop the level of a flowing river by removing water
with a teacup.

DC-shorting an antenna to ground is important to protect both equipment
and people from static buildup.  I once drew a really thick (lots of
current) 2 inch long bright blue arc to my left hand from the shack end
of the coax coming from an unterminated 80m dipole (my right hand was on
the floor) ... that calculates out to about 300,000 volts and the biceps
of both arms were sore for three days.  Imagine what the energy that is
capable of generating those half inch arcs might do to a receiver front
end or the contacts of a small relay.

But grounding the antenna isn't going to even come close to bleeding off
enough charge from the clouds overhead to prevent a lightning strike.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 8/1/2010 8:40 AM, Bill Aycock wrote:
> Gene--
> In your message to Dan, you say:
>   "you'll be draining off the static electricity (DC charge) to
> ground, hopefully thus minimizing the likelihood of a strike to begin 
> with."
> I have always believed this to be true, but whenever I even hint at it,
> someone on this reflector jumps on me. Do you have a reference for me?
> Thanks--Bill--W4BSG
>
>
>

> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gene Smar"<ersmar@verizon.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:40 PM
> To: "Dan Schaaf"<dan-schaaf@att.net>; "Tower and HF antenna construction
> topics."<towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical antennas and lightning
>
>> Dan:
>>
>>      If the inductor is the correct value (high enough XL at the 
>> vertical's
>> lowest frequency of operation so as not to upset the feedpoint impedance
>> appreciably) you can permanently connect it to the feedpoint.  In that
>> configuration you'll be draining off the static electricity (DC charge) 
>> to
>> ground, hopefully thus minimizing the likelihood of a strike to begin
>> with.
>>
>>      I'd recommend XL>  10 X 50 Ohm = 500 Ohms at the lowest frequency.
>>
>> 73 de
>> Gene Smar  AD3F
>>
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