Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:14:35 +0000
From: "K1TTT" <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical antennas and lightning
Unfortunately in this case the 'bleeding' when there is a charged cloud over
head is putting charge ONTO the antenna from the ground to equalize it with
the rest of the charge being attracted to the base of the cloud. So it make
it MORE likely to start the upward streamer that completes the path.
David Robbins K1TTT
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
## I think it was W0un,/w3lpl who said, that his property had loads of
well grnded towers... and each tower had loads of well grnded yagi's
[els bonded to boom, etc] . The story went, that every time lightning
the grnd.... as it approached his ant farm... it would stop... and pass right
then continue hitting the grnd... a 1/2 mile away. This apparently happened,
regardless of whether the lightning path was E-W or W-E... or N-S/ S-N
etc. The theory was... the well grnded ant farm was draining off the
Someone mentioned using 500k to 3 meg reistor's to dc grnd the center
conductor + control lines. IF the control lines all just have MOV's between
each conductor and grnd.... do you parallel one reistor with each mov ??
OK.... what abt on a new tower... b4 concrete is poured. On a previous install
back in 1980... we jack hammered 3 x grnd rods at the BOTTOM of the hole..then
cables to em..then one cable bonded to each tower leg.[2" away] In that
case... the tower
was 34" wide, straight sections... and angle steel legs... and the 1st 6' of
section went right to the bottom of the 6' hole.
The idea was, if the tower got hit with lightning....the path would be down
3 x legs... and to the 3 x 8' rods.... which were 14' below grnd level. IE:
started at 6' below grnd..and ended up at 14' below grnd. That puts all 3 of
em well below the
frost line in winter. In dec/jan... with -17 deg C temps... the 1st 3' of
grnd would be frozen solid.
IMO... I'm not fond of the ufer grnd scheme. In the above case.. NONE of the
rebar cage was
bonded to the tower legs/rods. I find it hard to believe that concrete will
conduct at all.
One of the tower reps up here told me one of their towers got hit... and that
tower did have the
cage bonded to the tower legs [ ufer grnd].. no rods... and that chunks of
flying skyward every where.
On my old trylon 8 yard tower base.. the anchor stubs are still sticking up 7"
above the cement...
and none of em are bonded to the rebar cage. I can't draw any current between
any two of em..
using an isolation xfmr... and variac... and stuffing 240 vac between any 2 x
Perhaps concrtete conducts with several kv through it. I could try the
with a small, spare 46 lb dahl plate xfmr.. [2700 vac sec].
On the trylon tower... we jack hammered in 3 x 8' rods..next to the
concrete..and cad welded
all of em to 2/3 ga cu wire. Then compression lugs and bolts on each tower
leg. I will
re-use em.. and re-do the metal work... then bond to adjacent new tower. ..+
add 1-2 x new
i take it the SPG...is still 60' away... just outside the basement ? I have
another rod there..
and 60' of 2 ga cu bonded between the tower base and my single rod outside
window. I used a large 1/4" thick al plate just inside the basement.... and
bonded to rod outside
with 2 ga wire [ rw-90] . The old 3/4" copper water line coming into the
house cracked.. and was replaced
with 1" plastic pex pipe. So the bonding between 200A main panel and inside
basement cu pipe is
not doing anything..since the inside 3/4" CU pipe.. morphs into the 1"
plastic pipe. I re-routed grnd
from the 200A panel... and ran it over to my 2 sq foot AL plate in basement.
So I guess the al plate
now becomes my spg ? The same al plate is drilled and tapped for other
stuff..like henry radio LP filter
lightning arrestor's etc.
later... Jim VE7RF
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