Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:41:08 -0700
From: Jim Brown <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Crimped PL-259's
> Almost no one except amateur radio and CB uses UHF (PL259) connectors anymore.
> Therefore you will mostly find them in ham and CB shops (and ebay).
The inference here is that UHF connectors are somehow outmoded.
### They ARE outmoded. There is no standard for UHF connector's. If there
was, they would all be useable, and they are not. The quality of UHF
varies from superb to pure junk. A lot of them are not 50 ohms. They can't
be 70 ohms
for RG-11 and 50 ohms for RG-213....at the same time.
could be further from the truth. The FACT is that they are entirely
satisfactory for systems operating below about 500 MHz, and
mechanically, they have some significant advantages over most other coax
connectors when installed on most coaxial cables .
### what mechanical advantages? They are not even waterproof !
Those other newer connectors DO have advantages above 500 MHz, where
their constant impedance characteristic matters, and where their small
physical size takes up less space.
Why is so much new equipment coming with N connectors, or with other
smaller connectors? Mostly because that equipment operates at those
higher frequencies, where their advantages DO matter.
### The only connector's offered for 7/8" and 1.25" heliax is
type N... and 7-16 DIN. Andrew stopped making UHF males for
7/8" heliax back in the early 90's. The only connector you can get
for LMR 1200 /1700 is type N and 7-16 DIN.
## 7/8" heliax and 1.25" heliax is the 2 x most common sizes you see
in the cell industry. 7/8" RFS brand 7/8" heliax with a corrugated CU
center conductor + outer conductor is aprx $2.35 per foot...cheap. Andrew
doesn't even offer 7/8" heliax with a corrugated center conductor...only
a copper tube. Ditto with 1.25" heliax.
## RFS also makes both 7/8" and 1.25" heliax with a corrugated Aluminum
outer conductor..and corrugated copper inner conductor. Now this stuff is all
the rage in EU/Asia/China/India..and now NA. The 7/8" version is aprx $1.48
per foot ! it's only 22 lbs per 100' [ vs 45 lbs for LMR-1200DB] . The
99.8% as good as the stuff using CU for the outer conductor. Having a
center conductor means it is a LOT more flexible than Andrew heliax [with
copper tube / kink prone]. From an install point of view, flexible,
is the way to go. Braided cables will suck water up on their braids via
## The cell industry has completely swapped over to 7-16 DIN. All the new
eq is 7-16 Din. Type N is obsolete. 7-16 Dins are plentiful on the surplus
market. You can't
blow up a 7-16 Din on HF.
Methinks that the poster of this comment needs to go back to study the
fundamentals of transmission lines.
## I did. RG-213 won't work from the bottom of a tower to the top of a tower
and that assumes you have BIG stuff between house and base of tower] Hams
brainwashed into thinking RG-213 + UHF connector's is some sorta 'standard'.
ever put a wattmeter at the top of their tower's..and measured their power.....
exactly 1 kw CXR applied in the shack ?? They will get an eye opener, and
The ARRL Handbook and ARRL Antenna
Book are a good place to start.
## The ARRL handbook and Ant book both need a serious re-write. Did they
figure out how to build a balun ?
73, Jim K9YC
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