As for the "meaningless dial markings" on tuners, If you know the
capacitance to start with then it seems to me that "5" would be 50 percent,
2.5 would be 25 percent, and so on. To incorporate the circuitry to allow
you to see the actual capacitance would likely make tuners far more
expensive than they already are. That's my two cents.
Larry K0IS
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:58:56 -0500
From: Andy <ai.egrps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
To: towertalk@contesting.com
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> Why not just make 1-3..that actually work ? ? One simple tuner..minus the
metering
> is all anybody wants. ?Nobody needs a dummy load, with a built in.. has
been ?wattmeter.
> Just build one dummy load, sans metering.
Because not everyone needs a multi-KW antenna tuner.
And I'm sure many (myself included) find the metering quite handy, to
know where to set the controls. 1 box is easier than 2 or 3.
And some like auto-tuners.
(BTW, I don't own an MFJ tuner.)
Part of what distinguishes MFJ is the choices they offer, from cheap
basics for the penny pinchers, to something more substantial. One
size doesn't fit all. They'd lose a lot of business if they sold only
one tuner.
Do they really need so many antenna tuner models? Doubtful. Would
the tuners or the company be better if they dropped 90% of them? Also
very doubtful. They need to concentrate on quality control more,
whether they are shipping one product or hundreds. I think that's the
bigger problem. As in having employees whose sole job is overseeing
QC, and re-structuring how the assembly floor works. They don't get
that by pruning their product line.
I don't really know much about MFJ, but in some respects I think they
still have the small company mentality, from Mr. Jue on down. From
what little I've seen of them, the folks who assemble each product are
small teams, almost separate entities, even though the company has a
huge product line. And neither size nor longevity equates to skill.
There's little reason to change how you do business, if you are making
a profit at it.
If the rumor of a possible buyout are true, perhaps Martin Jue is just
looking to retire. He is 66 and has been running it for four decades.
Regards,
Andy
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:19:18 -0000
From: "N7mal" <n7mal@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
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NO NO Jim that won't fly any longer. 20 years ago that was the excuse for
them. They were new etc etc etc. It is now 20 years later and the same
garbage is coming from Mississippi. Just because they have acquired
Cushcraft and Hy Gain they haven't addressed the major problem with MFJ,
they still produce garbage.
20 years ago I met Martin and thought he was an OK guy, I was in the
Electronics industry then. I thought once he got his act together he would
be a good solid business. Well it's now 20 years later and there has been no
change in that company.
Sorry to be so blunt but that's just the facts.
73
MAL
N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.n7mal.com
Everyone in the world is
entitled to be burdened
by my opinion
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Thomson
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 04:33
Subject: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:05:05 -0500
From: "David Thompson" <thompson@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
Come on gang lighten up.
MFJ is still a small company. Martin Jue and Steve Pan (the management) are
trying to do a good job. I am surprised that with all the acquisitions they
are able to keep up.
## I find that hard to believe...after looking through the entire
mfj/ameritron catalog.....it's huge. MFJ has been around for a LONG
time. How many decades does it take em..to 'figure it all out' ?
Why are they still selling crap, like BN-86 baluns ? If they improved
just
some of the products..and dumped the rest, they would spend way less time
dealing with angry end users on the phone...and resulting warranty issues.
Think abt it. Why would you want to offer 16 x diffrent types of ant tuners
?
Why not just make 1-3..that actually work ? One simple tuner..minus the
metering
is all anybody wants. Nobody needs a dummy load, with a built in.. has been
wattmeter.
Just build one dummy load, sans metering.
I sold an MFJ tuner to a fellow in Memphis and UPS put a forklift through
the box and KOed the meter. MFJ fixed that I sent the tuner back to the
fellow in two weeks. I helped a fellow overseas get parts for his TH-11
which he got very quickly.
Compared to Mosley and Idiom Press they run a good ship.
## IMO, Mosley has no clue whatsoever, about how to build an antenna,
any antenna. Mosley still drones on about.."establishing resonance".... and
'52 ohms'. Equal spaced monobanders went the way of the do-do bird back
in the
late 80's. How mosley and wilson managed to build hair pin / matching
networks,
that work on 20-15-10m is beyond me. The secret of course, is the trap's
used have
such a high R component to em.. that when added to the feedpoint Z, they
end up
closer to 50 ohms..and it's one big fudge.....swr wise.
## ever seen a 175 lb Telrex 20m yagi ? 6 x equal spaced els on a 46'
boom. They
didn't......'get it' either....and went outa business. That mystery black
[sealed] black balun
box that telrex built for their tribanders is a real hoot...... after you
cut one open with a
band saw. You will gag.
Later... Jim VE7RF
Dave K4JRB
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:29:23 -0800
From: "Al Williams" <alwilliams@olywa.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] too many tuners?
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Another complaint about tuner offerings:
All of them use meaningless dial markings e.g. 1 to 10, with some
intermediate markings. The actual range is known e.g. 20-300 pf and would
benefit everyone interested in understanding what is happening.
Sometime additional capacitance is switched in addition but it would still
be useful to the amount of variable capacitance.
But as was mentioned, if the manufacturer is selling as is, why change?
k7puc
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:31:51 -0500
From: k2qmf@juno.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
To: n7mal@citlink.net
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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Mal,
I don't understand your hostility against MFJ???
I have had many dealings with them and Hy-Gain and they
were always responsive and very helpful!!
As far as product quality, I'm sure that they cut corners in order
to produce a cost effective product line but they do correct any
problems, you may have, quickly and at their expense.....
They're not the Cadillac of our hobby but they sure are the Chevrolet..
What's in your garage???
Ted
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:19:18 -0000 "N7mal" <n7mal@citlink.net> writes:
> NO NO Jim that won't fly any longer. 20 years ago that was the excuse
> for
> them. They were new etc etc etc. It is now 20 years later and the
> same
> garbage is coming from Mississippi. Just because they have acquired
>
> Cushcraft and Hy Gain they haven't addressed the major problem with
> MFJ,
> they still produce garbage.
> 20 years ago I met Martin and thought he was an OK guy, I was in the
>
> Electronics industry then. I thought once he got his act together he
> would
> be a good solid business. Well it's now 20 years later and there has
> been no
> change in that company.
> Sorry to be so blunt but that's just the facts.
> 73
>
>
> MAL
> N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.n7mal.com
> Everyone in the world is
> entitled to be burdened
> by my opinion
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Thomson
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 04:33
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
>
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:05:05 -0500
> From: "David Thompson" <thompson@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
>
> Come on gang lighten up.
>
> MFJ is still a small company. Martin Jue and Steve Pan (the
> management) are
> trying to do a good job. I am surprised that with all the
> acquisitions they
> are able to keep up.
>
> ## I find that hard to believe...after looking through the entire
> mfj/ameritron catalog.....it's huge. MFJ has been around for a
> LONG
> time. How many decades does it take em..to 'figure it all out' ?
> Why are they still selling crap, like BN-86 baluns ? If they
> improved
> just
> some of the products..and dumped the rest, they would spend way less
> time
> dealing with angry end users on the phone...and resulting warranty
> issues.
> Think abt it. Why would you want to offer 16 x diffrent types of
> ant tuners
> ?
> Why not just make 1-3..that actually work ? One simple tuner..minus
> the
> metering
> is all anybody wants. Nobody needs a dummy load, with a built in..
> has been
> wattmeter.
> Just build one dummy load, sans metering.
>
>
>
> I sold an MFJ tuner to a fellow in Memphis and UPS put a forklift
> through
> the box and KOed the meter. MFJ fixed that I sent the tuner back to
> the
> fellow in two weeks. I helped a fellow overseas get parts for his
> TH-11
> which he got very quickly.
>
> Compared to Mosley and Idiom Press they run a good ship.
>
> ## IMO, Mosley has no clue whatsoever, about how to build an
> antenna,
> any antenna. Mosley still drones on about.."establishing
> resonance".... and
> '52 ohms'. Equal spaced monobanders went the way of the do-do
> bird back
> in the
> late 80's. How mosley and wilson managed to build hair pin /
> matching
> networks,
> that work on 20-15-10m is beyond me. The secret of course, is the
> trap's
> used have
> such a high R component to em.. that when added to the feedpoint
> Z, they
> end up
> closer to 50 ohms..and it's one big fudge.....swr wise.
>
> ## ever seen a 175 lb Telrex 20m yagi ? 6 x equal spaced els on
> a 46'
> boom. They
> didn't......'get it' either....and went outa business. That
> mystery black
> [sealed] black balun
> box that telrex built for their tribanders is a real hoot......
> after you
> cut one open with a
> band saw. You will gag.
>
> Later... Jim VE7RF
>
>
> Dave K4JRB
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:49:32 -0500
From: "n4zkf" <towertalk@n4zkf.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
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A Chevrolet Corvette is in my garage and they are nowhere close to it! I
have NEVER, I repeat NEVER bought an MFJ product EVER
that I didn't have an issue with. EVER. That's the facts.
I blame it on myself for giving them chances of which now I would never do
again. I wouldn't order a screw from them. Did I say NEVER?
They have NO response, NO quality, NO customer service. No hostility, just
facts.
n4zkf Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:32 AM
To: n7mal@citlink.net
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
Mal,
I don't understand your hostility against MFJ???
I have had many dealings with them and Hy-Gain and they were always
responsive and very helpful!!
As far as product quality, I'm sure that they cut corners in order to
produce a cost effective product line but they do correct any problems, you
may have, quickly and at their expense.....
They're not the Cadillac of our hobby but they sure are the Chevrolet..
What's in your garage???
Ted
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:19:18 -0000 "N7mal" <n7mal@citlink.net> writes:
> NO NO Jim that won't fly any longer. 20 years ago that was the excuse
> for them. They were new etc etc etc. It is now 20 years later and the
> same garbage is coming from Mississippi. Just because they have
> acquired
>
> Cushcraft and Hy Gain they haven't addressed the major problem with
> MFJ, they still produce garbage.
> 20 years ago I met Martin and thought he was an OK guy, I was in the
>
> Electronics industry then. I thought once he got his act together he
> would be a good solid business. Well it's now 20 years later and there
> has been no change in that company.
> Sorry to be so blunt but that's just the facts.
> 73
>
>
> MAL
> N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.n7mal.com
> Everyone in the world is
> entitled to be burdened
> by my opinion
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Thomson
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 04:33
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
>
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:05:05 -0500
> From: "David Thompson" <thompson@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
>
> Come on gang lighten up.
>
> MFJ is still a small company. Martin Jue and Steve Pan (the
> management) are
> trying to do a good job. I am surprised that with all the
> acquisitions they are able to keep up.
>
> ## I find that hard to believe...after looking through the entire
> mfj/ameritron catalog.....it's huge. MFJ has been around for a LONG
> time. How many decades does it take em..to 'figure it all out' ?
> Why are they still selling crap, like BN-86 baluns ? If they
> improved
> just
> some of the products..and dumped the rest, they would spend way less
> time dealing with angry end users on the phone...and resulting
> warranty issues.
> Think abt it. Why would you want to offer 16 x diffrent types of ant
> tuners ?
> Why not just make 1-3..that actually work ? One simple tuner..minus
> the
> metering
> is all anybody wants. Nobody needs a dummy load, with a built in..
> has been
> wattmeter.
> Just build one dummy load, sans metering.
>
>
>
> I sold an MFJ tuner to a fellow in Memphis and UPS put a forklift
> through the box and KOed the meter. MFJ fixed that I sent the tuner
> back to the fellow in two weeks. I helped a fellow overseas get parts
> for his
> TH-11
> which he got very quickly.
>
> Compared to Mosley and Idiom Press they run a good ship.
>
> ## IMO, Mosley has no clue whatsoever, about how to build an
> antenna,
> any antenna. Mosley still drones on about.."establishing
> resonance".... and
> '52 ohms'. Equal spaced monobanders went the way of the do-do
> bird back
> in the
> late 80's. How mosley and wilson managed to build hair pin /
> matching
> networks,
> that work on 20-15-10m is beyond me. The secret of course, is the
> trap's
> used have
> such a high R component to em.. that when added to the feedpoint Z,
> they end up closer to 50 ohms..and it's one big fudge.....swr wise.
>
> ## ever seen a 175 lb Telrex 20m yagi ? 6 x equal spaced els on
> a 46'
> boom. They
> didn't......'get it' either....and went outa business. That mystery
> black [sealed] black balun box that telrex built for their tribanders
> is a real hoot......
> after you
> cut one open with a
> band saw. You will gag.
>
> Later... Jim VE7RF
>
>
> Dave K4JRB
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:02:18 -0500
From: k2qmf@juno.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
To: towertalk@n4zkf.com
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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Dave,
I have the answer to "your" problems...
Don't do business with MFJ.... Very simple.
Ted
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:49:32 -0500 "n4zkf" <towertalk@n4zkf.com> writes:
> A Chevrolet Corvette is in my garage and they are nowhere close to
> it! I
> have NEVER, I repeat NEVER bought an MFJ product EVER
> that I didn't have an issue with. EVER. That's the facts.
>
> I blame it on myself for giving them chances of which now I would
> never do
> again. I wouldn't order a screw from them. Did I say NEVER?
>
> They have NO response, NO quality, NO customer service. No
> hostility, just
> facts.
>
>
> n4zkf Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> k2qmf@juno.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: n7mal@citlink.net
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
>
> Mal,
>
> I don't understand your hostility against MFJ???
>
> I have had many dealings with them and Hy-Gain and they were always
> responsive and very helpful!!
>
> As far as product quality, I'm sure that they cut corners in order
> to
> produce a cost effective product line but they do correct any
> problems, you
> may have, quickly and at their expense.....
>
> They're not the Cadillac of our hobby but they sure are the
> Chevrolet..
>
> What's in your garage???
>
> Ted
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:19:18 -0000 "N7mal" <n7mal@citlink.net>
> writes:
> > NO NO Jim that won't fly any longer. 20 years ago that was the
> excuse
> > for them. They were new etc etc etc. It is now 20 years later and
> the
> > same garbage is coming from Mississippi. Just because they have
> > acquired
> >
> > Cushcraft and Hy Gain they haven't addressed the major problem
> with
> > MFJ, they still produce garbage.
> > 20 years ago I met Martin and thought he was an OK guy, I was in
> the
> >
> > Electronics industry then. I thought once he got his act together
> he
> > would be a good solid business. Well it's now 20 years later and
> there
> > has been no change in that company.
> > Sorry to be so blunt but that's just the facts.
> > 73
> >
> >
> > MAL
> > N7MAL
> > BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> > http://www.n7mal.com
> > Everyone in the world is
> > entitled to be burdened
> > by my opinion
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Thomson
> > To: towertalk@contesting.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 04:33
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:05:05 -0500
> > From: "David Thompson" <thompson@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft Parts from MFJ
> >
> > Come on gang lighten up.
> >
> > MFJ is still a small company. Martin Jue and Steve Pan (the
> > management) are
> > trying to do a good job. I am surprised that with all the
> > acquisitions they are able to keep up.
> >
> > ## I find that hard to believe...after looking through the entire
>
> > mfj/ameritron catalog.....it's huge. MFJ has been around for a
> LONG
> > time. How many decades does it take em..to 'figure it all out'
> ?
> > Why are they still selling crap, like BN-86 baluns ? If they
> > improved
> > just
> > some of the products..and dumped the rest, they would spend way
> less
> > time dealing with angry end users on the phone...and resulting
> > warranty issues.
> > Think abt it. Why would you want to offer 16 x diffrent types of
> ant
> > tuners ?
> > Why not just make 1-3..that actually work ? One simple
> tuner..minus
> > the
> > metering
> > is all anybody wants. Nobody needs a dummy load, with a built
> in..
> > has been
> > wattmeter.
> > Just build one dummy load, sans metering.
> >
> >
> >
> > I sold an MFJ tuner to a fellow in Memphis and UPS put a forklift
>
> > through the box and KOed the meter. MFJ fixed that I sent the
> tuner
> > back to the fellow in two weeks. I helped a fellow overseas get
> parts
> > for his
> > TH-11
> > which he got very quickly.
> >
> > Compared to Mosley and Idiom Press they run a good ship.
> >
> > ## IMO, Mosley has no clue whatsoever, about how to build an
> > antenna,
> > any antenna. Mosley still drones on about.."establishing
> > resonance".... and
> > '52 ohms'. Equal spaced monobanders went the way of the do-do
> > bird back
> > in the
> > late 80's. How mosley and wilson managed to build hair pin /
> > matching
> > networks,
> > that work on 20-15-10m is beyond me. The secret of course, is
> the
> > trap's
> > used have
> > such a high R component to em.. that when added to the feedpoint
> Z,
> > they end up closer to 50 ohms..and it's one big fudge.....swr
> wise.
> >
> > ## ever seen a 175 lb Telrex 20m yagi ? 6 x equal spaced els
> on
> > a 46'
> > boom. They
> > didn't......'get it' either....and went outa business. That
> mystery
> > black [sealed] black balun box that telrex built for their
> tribanders
> > is a real hoot......
> > after you
> > cut one open with a
> > band saw. You will gag.
> >
> > Later... Jim VE7RF
> >
> >
> > Dave K4JRB
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TowerTalk mailing list
> > TowerTalk@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
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> >
> >
> >
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