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Re: [TowerTalk] H frame for 10 or 15m

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] H frame for 10 or 15m
From: Jay Kesterson K0GU <>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:54:02 -0600
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On 8/16/2011 7:17 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>   >  3 dB seems like an awfully small advantage from the mechanical
>   >  complexity and wind load associated with an H-frame.
> The advantage of an H-Frame ranges from somewhat less than 5 dB for
> systems with less than optimum spacing to slightly more than 6 dB
> with maximum gain spacing.  Without doing the modeling, one can
> look at the material by VE7BQH (
> for six meter antennas.  The spacing information for the 5 element
> antennas with 0.75 and 0.76 wavelength booms provide a good range
> for 10 meter antennas like the 105CA (scale the table values by
> 1.75) and the information for the ~0.6 wavelength booms would be a
> good starting range for 4 element yagis.

   Just take into account that VE7BQH's fine antenna array information 
is a maximum gain design for EME. The first side lobes in the azimuth 
are only down around 12 db from the main lobe in many of those 
calculations. If you can live with -12 db first side lobes then the 
spacing is fine. If not the horizontal spacing needs to be reduced a bit.

   BTW I made one error in my chart. I show the first side lobes on the 
horizontal stack at 36 feet wide to be 16 db down from the main lobe. It 
actually is ~13 db down.

   Two 105CAs stacked horizontally spaced

36 feet =  11.11dbd (first side lobes are ~16 db down)<<<  Should be ~13 db down

73,  Jay  K0GU


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