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To: Wayne Willenberg <>,
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Basic Help Needed
From: Hector Garcia XE2K <>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT)
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HI Wayne

I just want to make a few clarifications 
the 9H50 mast will go  up at a maximum of 34 ft ,  is the only UPS shippable 
mast of the line
for that reason shorter than the others.

You never mention what Tribander  or rotor you will install , the variations 
significant from model to model
in the  3 element tribander   brand to brand.

The Mast brochure have this text :
All installations must be guyed or bracketed. Installation
of masts should be done by experienced professionals.
Telescoping Masts are not recommended for commercial,
CB or beam antenna installations.

I made several temporary installations of those mast with  light tribanders 
the  A3S and the Th3JR and those works fine  UP to 30-35ft with very light winds
I will never risk to leave it permanently  in your area  rated at 100mph, those 
are not the mast needed from my point of view.

I use those mast during the past years  a lot for  Wi Fi and Ham things ,  
recently the last one installed  fail  in the past year Micro storm with winds 
of  around 60+  miles, not a single guy where broken the tubing just can not 
handle the  wind and bend at the center with just a vertical dual bander on top 
and a Dipole.

 J.Hector Garcia  XE2K / AD6D
Mexicali B.C  DM22fp
P.O.Box 73 
El Centro CA 92244-0073

From: Wayne Willenberg <>
Sent: Wed, August 24, 2011 7:19:29 AM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Basic Help Needed

I have just returned to ham radio now that I am retired.

My first project is to get a tribander (10, 15, and 20m) up and on the air
as quickly as possible.  I have selected a ROHN 9H50 telescoping mast that
extends to 50’ and has guy mounts at 4 locations up the mast.  ROHN
recommends each set of guy wires start at 30’ from the base of the mast. I
have bought a pair of Chicago Grips for tensioning the guys and a LOOS
tension meter for setting the guy wire tension to 10% of its maximum

I thought this would be an easy project (even though I don’t have any
experience in erecting towers).  But, it hasn’t turned out to be so easy
when I realized the projected area of the tribander I have chosen is about 4
sq ft of projected area (EPA), but the footnotes for the mast say the
antenna load should not exceed 2 EPA!  When I add 1 sq ft for the rotator
and mast to support the antenna, my EPA is over 5 sq ft!

So, my question is:  should I abandon this project or can I make changes in
the support of the mast so my tribander can stay up even in the 100mph area
max wind speed estimated for my county?

What I have thought of changing is: 1. Not using the ROHN recommended 18GA
wire as the guy wire but going to ROHN 3/16 EHS, 2. Using the software
called MARC (Antenna & Rotator Calculator) to calculate the required steel
alloy and thickness of the antenna mast, 3.  Limiting the antenna mast and
rotator to only 2 ft above the top of the telescoping tower mast, and using
4 guys instead of 3 (for a total of 16 guy wires).

Can I make this mast stand up?  What are the weak areas and how can I make
them stronger?  Would you direct me to books that discuss tower supports?

Thank you for your help… I really need it.

Wayne KK6BT

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