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Re: [TowerTalk] Basic Help Needed

To: "'Wayne Willenberg'" <>, <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Basic Help Needed
From: "Dick Green WC1M" <>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:26:47 -0400
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I'm not an engineer, but just going by the specs I'd say the Rohn mast isn't
appropriate for the windload you're planning. With a 100 MPH wind rating for
your county, you'd be advised to go with a small guyed tower. Yeah, it's
much more expensive and much more of a project to erect, but it would be
appropriate for the antenna and rotor. One of the heavy-duty crankups may be
able to handle the windload, but they're even more expensive.

The other alternative I would advise is try to find a surplus AB-577 crankup
mast. It should be able to handle the windload, though I don't know if it
would stand up to a full 100 MPH wind. I've used them here for years and
have never had a problem, even with an antenna that had a windload of 10 sq
ft and weighted well over 100 lbs. That said, the max wind probably never
got above 60 MPH, and that only in a microburst. The best source I know for
AB-577s is Ontario Surplus: There
are some good photos on the website that'll give you an idea of what the
AB-577 is all about. There may be other sources closer to you.

73, Dick WC1M

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Willenberg [] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Basic Help Needed

I have just returned to ham radio now that I am retired.

My first project is to get a tribander (10, 15, and 20m) up and on the air
as quickly as possible.  I have selected a ROHN 9H50 telescoping mast that
extends to 50' and has guy mounts at 4 locations up the mast.  ROHN
recommends each set of guy wires start at 30' from the base of the mast. I
have bought a pair of Chicago Grips for tensioning the guys and a LOOS
tension meter for setting the guy wire tension to 10% of its maximum

I thought this would be an easy project (even though I don't have any
experience in erecting towers).  But, it hasn't turned out to be so easy
when I realized the projected area of the tribander I have chosen is about 4
sq ft of projected area (EPA), but the footnotes for the mast say the
antenna load should not exceed 2 EPA!  When I add 1 sq ft for the rotator
and mast to support the antenna, my EPA is over 5 sq ft!

So, my question is:  should I abandon this project or can I make changes in
the support of the mast so my tribander can stay up even in the 100mph area
max wind speed estimated for my county?

What I have thought of changing is: 1. Not using the ROHN recommended 18GA
wire as the guy wire but going to ROHN 3/16 EHS, 2. Using the software
called MARC (Antenna & Rotator Calculator) to calculate the required steel
alloy and thickness of the antenna mast, 3.  Limiting the antenna mast and
rotator to only 2 ft above the top of the telescoping tower mast, and using
4 guys instead of 3 (for a total of 16 guy wires).

Can I make this mast stand up?  What are the weak areas and how can I make
them stronger?  Would you direct me to books that discuss tower supports?

Thank you for your help. I really need it.

Wayne KK6BT


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