I buried my mother-in-law in the hole dug for my tower. QSL cards are loved by
me That worked for me. I made Honor Roll from prison working remotely!
BTW, my posts in this group are part of my community service now that I am
out on parole.
DALE
K4ROZ
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> (bemeier)
> 3. Re: [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour (Derek Wills)
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> (K5WA)
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> beforetheconcrete pour (Bill)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:29:28 -0000
> From: "Richard L. King" <k5na@ecpi.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour
> To: "Allen Brier N5XZ" <n5xz@earthlink.net>, <tdxs-list@tdxs.net>,
> "Tower Talk" <towertalk@contesting.com>, "BVARC Reflector"
> <bvarc@bvarc.org>, "NARS Reflector" <nars@mailman.qth.net>,
> "CTDXCC"
> <ctdxcc@kkn.net>, "ak-contesters"
> <ak-contesters@googlegroups.com>
> Message-ID: <1B29E93A8A384C7C8CF29FA7896F5964@K5NA>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list@tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait! It is according to what you want the antennas to do. If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct. If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs. And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC@aol.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>; <rmthorne@att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> Now for the more important question. If I remember correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju. And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bemeier <bemeier@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ <n5xz@earthlink.net>, tdxs-list@tdxs.net, Tower
> Talk <towertalk@contesting.com>, BVARC Reflector <bvarc@bvarc.org>,
> NARS Reflector <nars@mailman.qth.net>, CTDXCC <ctdxcc@kkn.net>,
> ak-contesters <ak-contesters@googlegroups.com>, "Richard L. King"
> <k5na@ecpi.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> When we built our new station here in North Carolina, my wife (Laurie?-
> N1YXU) had a suggestion that we followed up on.? As we were building (3)
> towers, she suggested putting a selection of "band appropriate" JA cards in
> the base.? By that I mean, in the 15 meter tower base we put cards from JA1 -
> JA0 for ONLY 15 meter Qs.? The same format was followed for the 20 meter
> tower.? However, as 40 mtrs and 10 mtrs are combined on one tower, that base
> has JA1 - JA0 cards for both?40 and 10 included.
> ?
> Based on the performance in last weeks CQWW, she had a GREAT IDEA.
> ?
> 73,
> Bruce - N1LN
> (aka: NC4KW)
>
> --- On Wed, 11/2/11, Richard L. King <k5na@ecpi.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Richard L. King <k5na@ecpi.com>
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
> To: "Allen Brier N5XZ" <n5xz@earthlink.net>, tdxs-list@tdxs.net, "Tower Talk"
> <towertalk@contesting.com>, "BVARC Reflector" <bvarc@bvarc.org>, "NARS
> Reflector" <nars@mailman.qth.net>, "CTDXCC" <ctdxcc@kkn.net>, "ak-contesters"
> <ak-contesters@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 10:29 AM
>
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list@tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait!? It is according to what you want the antennas to do.? If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct.? If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs.? And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC@aol.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>; <rmthorne@att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> ? Now for the more important question.? If I remember? correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in? the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> ? ? Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju.? And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX? card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve? ? K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:11:04 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Derek Wills <oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole
> before theconcrete pour
> To: ak-contesters@googlegroups.com, bvarc@bvarc.org, ctdxcc@kkn.net,
> k5na@ecpi.com, n5xz@earthlink.net, nars@mailman.qth.net,
> tdxs-list@tdxs.net, towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <201111021511.pA2FB46L008151@astro.as.utexas.edu>
>
> I'd be sorely tempted to throw all my cards in for ballast.
>
> Derek
> aa5bt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:29:18 -0500
> From: "K5WA" <K5WA@Comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour
> To: "'Richard L. King'" <k5na@ecpi.com>, "'Allen Brier N5XZ'"
> <n5xz@earthlink.net>, <tdxs-list@tdxs.net>, "'Tower Talk'"
> <towertalk@contesting.com>, "'BVARC Reflector'" <bvarc@bvarc.org>,
> "'NARS Reflector'" <nars@mailman.qth.net>, "'CTDXCC'"
> <ctdxcc@kkn.net>, "'ak-contesters'"
> <ak-contesters@googlegroups.com>
> Message-ID: <001601cc9974$309db640$91d922c0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> That JT1 card not only made the antennas work better, but it also held up
> the tower physically because Richard's guy wires were at an 89 degree rise
> angle and it still defies physics that the tower withstood the hurricanes it
> went through over the years.
>
> Bob K5WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard L. King [mailto:k5na@ecpi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:29 AM
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ; tdxs-list@tdxs.net; Tower Talk; BVARC Reflector; NARS
> Reflector; CTDXCC; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
>
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list@tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
>
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
>
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
>
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait! It is according to what you want the antennas to do. If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct. If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs. And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC@aol.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>; <rmthorne@att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> Now for the more important question. If I remember correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju. And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:51:50 -0500
> From: "Bill" <bbradford1957@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole
> beforetheconcrete pour
> To: "K5WA" <K5WA@Comcast.net>, "'Richard L. King'" <k5na@ecpi.com>,
> "'Allen Brier N5XZ'" <n5xz@earthlink.net>, <tdxs-list@tdxs.net>,
> "'Tower Talk'" <towertalk@contesting.com>, "'BVARC Reflector'"
> <bvarc@bvarc.org>, "'NARS Reflector'" <nars@mailman.qth.net>,
> "'CTDXCC'" <ctdxcc@kkn.net>, "'ak-contesters'"
> <ak-contesters@googlegroups.com>
> Message-ID: <0CB6E8D1EF9346BDB6566B75B5B6B163@BILL>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Richard's towers also survived, SOMEHOW, through all the snow / ice storms
> while living in New York.
>
> Bill K5GA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: K5WA
> To: 'Richard L. King' ; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' ; tdxs-list@tdxs.net ; 'Tower
> Talk' ; 'BVARC Reflector' ; 'NARS Reflector' ; 'CTDXCC' ; 'ak-contesters'
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole
> beforetheconcrete pour
>
>
> That JT1 card not only made the antennas work better, but it also held up
> the tower physically because Richard's guy wires were at an 89 degree rise
> angle and it still defies physics that the tower withstood the hurricanes it
> went through over the years.
>
> Bob K5WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard L. King [mailto:k5na@ecpi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:29 AM
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ; tdxs-list@tdxs.net; Tower Talk; BVARC Reflector; NARS
> Reflector; CTDXCC; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
>
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list@tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
>
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
>
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
>
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait! It is according to what you want the antennas to do. If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct. If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs. And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC@aol.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>; <rmthorne@att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> Now for the more important question. If I remember correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju. And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:42:22 -0700 (PDT)
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> Dear Claims Adjustor:
> http://loa.tym.cz/index133tww--.php?ihjxforum=45
>
> Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:42:21
> ______________
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