[Top] [All Lists]

[TowerTalk] Loss in PL259 - copied from CQ Contest - arch

To: <>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Loss in PL259 - copied from CQ Contest - archive
From: "Kimo Chun" <>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:25:41 -1000
List-post: <">>
I didn't follow the earlier thread: "PL259 Insertion Loss?" or others.
Perhaps this may add something to the conversation or be useful in some way.
Gary and I were members of Rho Epsilon "Alpha Chapter" Radio Fraternity, our
club at WSU.
73 Kimo KH7U (go Cougs)
>From (Gary Nieborsky)  Mon Sep 16 17:18:20 1996
From: (Gary Nieborsky) (Gary Nieborsky)
Subject: Cable Attenuation Question
Message-ID: <>
35 watts = pencil soldering iron.
Your comments made me go out and dig through the College Archives.
Back in senior year at Washington State U (W7YH, Go Cougs!)  we had to do a
measurement project in Measurements Lab.  Since there were two hams in the
Lab we decided to measure losses in coax connectors (the Prof was a ham
too).  We set up a calorimeter and measured I**2R losses from DC to 2 GHz
for a PL259/SO239 combo (did it for BNC and N too...hey it was a senior
Here are some of the results from my Lab Notes:
Input power = 1,000 watts  (100V, 10A @ DC, homebrew 4-1000 .1-30 MHz,
borrowed USAF signal source 30-2,000 MHz (black box from Fairchild AFB),
Bird dummy load)
(We used a kW because neither of us had ever run more than 100 watts...power
f (MHz) Loss (W)        dB
0.1     1       -0.00435
1       1.2     -0.00521
10      1.3     -0.00565
20      1.5     -0.00652
30      1.8     -0.00782
50      2.2     -0.00957
100     2.6     -0.01131
200     3.5     -0.01523
300     5       -0.02177
400     7       -0.03051
500     10      -0.04365
1000    15      -0.06564
1250    18      -0.07889
1500    28      -0.12334
1750    39      -0.17277**
2000    100     -0.45757**
**  Connector failed before calorimeter stabilized.
We attributed the steep upswing after 100MHz to the finish on the connector,
not the connector design.  Nickel plating seems to exhibit non-linearity
above 100MHz.  The N and BNC runs were much better.  BNC went flakey above
600MHZ (RG-58 size, RG-8 BNC went to 1000 MHz).  We were able to isolate
cable loss from connector loss by building a teflon box around the connector
body and only "viewing"  the inside of the box with the sensor.  The
Department Chair was not at all happy that this teflon box cost $750 to
build (teflon was rare in 1977).
As you can see from the table we experienced two failures.  Both were due to
the solder melting in the probe part of the connector.  The 1250 and 1500
watt runs showed discoloration but no melting.  The values for 1750 and 2000
MHz were the calculated values at the time of failure.  Each run took 1
hour, these two failed 28 and 17 minutes into the test.
We experienced a failure of an N connector at 2000MHz.   We ran the output
up in 100 watt steps until we observed a sharp up turn in losses.  We were
able to boil the water in the calorimeter at 15,000 watts and at 17,100
watts the fingers inside the connector relaxed and started arcing.
Before this experiment I was paranoid about my connectors.  Since then I
have only been concerned with the quality of the assembly and water ingress.
My take on it.......
73 Gary K7FR



TowerTalk mailing list

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>
  • [TowerTalk] Loss in PL259 - copied from CQ Contest - archive, Kimo Chun <=